Dieter3 Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Two new acquisitions - a pre-war Osaka piece with a marked rosette, and a post-war. Both in good condition, the post-war one is really nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JapanX Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Well this is another two pieces in mint conditions! Especially interesting the early one. And I think it was made a little bit earlier than before WWII. Judging by the box (which would be really risky, if this piece wasn't marked). I think this box type (kanji style) were in use not only during Meiji, but during Taisho period (at least!) and probably even during early Showa (!). That's why many pieces from 10-30 period of time are often wrongly attributed as Meiji pieces. Well this is another topic for another irresponsible poor researched thread and I think I'll pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share Posted December 29, 2011 Well, not quite mint, but nice! I would agree that this case type was used in later Taisho and early Showa, not sure about Meiji though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Definitely this is a standart kanji style for Meiji epoch boxes and one of 3 variations of boxes for Meiji period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share Posted December 29, 2011 Definitely this is a standart kanji style for Meiji epoch boxes and one of 3 variations of boxes for Meiji period. Not sure about that! I think there are more than 3 (kanji) variations for Meiji era. I've only ever seen this type of case with the button rosettes, not bows - would that not place them into a later era? (Not that they can't exist without a bow rosette, I've just never seen one....) I also believe the kanji style to be more "sophisticated" than that of Meiji-era pieces - I'm more familiar with these as Meiji: http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2011/post-6375-0-84659700-1325174663.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2011/post-6375-0-78563900-1325174672.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) Everything is mystery for you my friend I meant not the handwrighting style (there were as many handwrighting styles for these Meiji boxes as many calligraphists), but general kanji form. Of course, if that's what you mean Inside these general kanji form one could found different forms of boxes made of different materials. And you really should stop dating badges (or boxes) by rosettes types (pleading look + voice) Not very precise method - this is for sure. :lol: Edited December 30, 2011 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul L Murphy Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I agree with Nick on this, I do not think the first box and medal go together. The medal is 1930s Osaka Mint for sure, but the box is the type of kanji used in the Meiji-Taisho eras. I have examples of this type of kanji with medal & document groups ranging from the Russo Japanese War to 1920s (slight differences in the calligraphy but the same basic style of kanji). Any groups I have seen from the Manchurian Incident onwards where I have been comfortable that the medals belong together with the documents and have not been messed with have the later style kanji on the lid. Hence, in the absence of new information I believe the switchover in kanji came somewhere in the late 20s. Japanese delaers are terrible for "mixing and matching" medals and boxes without any regard to the correct era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share Posted December 29, 2011 Don't know, I'm basing things of of observations of other pieces that I have seen, this isn't this first one like this from Osaka in this type of case! I've seen a few. I've definitely seen this kanji style on Taisho era awards like you as well (that is if the documents truly match!), never anything back to the Russo-Japanese war, I've only ever seen these with the less refined kanji (I'm not doubting you, you have a great deal more experience here!). You could very well be correct about the switch over in the late 20's, perhaps with the start of the Showa era? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Don't know, I'm basing things of of observations of other pieces that I have seen, this isn't this first one like this from Osaka in this type of case! You are right my friend on this one. I believe that the active time period for boxes with such kanji style is 1875-1935 (1934?/1936?). One sunny and frosty day (in the next year) I will make a big thread devoted to this question. An attempt of complete box classification. How does this sounds to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 One sunny and frosty day (in the next year) I will make a big thread devoted to this question. An attempt of complete box classification. How does this sounds to you? Sounds good to me!! That will be a serious undertaking!! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvydas Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Hi colleagues , I wanted to ask, are everything is ok with this medal? I'm new in Japan orders.. Are this is pre-war (ww2) medal? Or post-war? I will look for any your comments Thank you for your time, Arvydas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 Pre-WWII for sure, I believe this is a Meiji-era piece. Very nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Well. This piece certainly came from 1890-1910 period. Nice box, excellent patina and bow-style rosette! Congrats Arvydas and happy new year! Regards, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvydas Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Thank you for your comments, and happy new year for you all, Arvydas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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