Lion and Sun order documents

[JapanX]

1919

[Markus]

These are some Lion and sun medals with Firman order documents found on a Turkish web site.

http://www.turkish-m...humbNailsTR.htm

[Markus]

These are some Lion and sun medals with Firman order documents found on a Turkish web site.

http://www.turkish-m...humbNailsTR.htm

[Markus]

These are some Lion and sun medals with Firman order documents found on a Turkish web site.

http://www.turkish-m...humbNailsTR.htm

[JapanX]

Cool docs mate!

Thanks!

And again all lions are lying...

Maybe Mitya will help us with translation?

Regards,

Nick

[Markus]

This is a Turkish Firman order document with medal found on a Turkish web site. The Turkish documents look even more stunning! This one also has a German translation written below the script. Circa 1916.

http://www.turkish-m...humbNailsTR.htm

[JapanX]

Agree...

But please don't forget that we are in love with lion and sun order :lol:

[Mitya Ivanov]

"Maybe Mitya will help us with translation"

Nick my pal! I don't read neither Persian nor Arab or Pashto etc.etc.

And my English is also bad - as you know.

[JapanX]

At least give us something...

[drclaw]

What an interesting thread! Thanks gents and especially Nick for posting these examples.

Now a silly question. Having only studied 6 weeks of Arabic, are these written in Arabic or Persian?

I ask because most of the documentation for Ottoman Empire orders is written in phonetic Arabic script but actually reads as Turkish.

[JapanX]

What an interesting thread! Thanks gents and especially Nick for posting these examples.

Now a silly question. Having only studied 6 weeks of Arabic, are these written in Arabic or Persian?

I ask because most of the documentation for Ottoman Empire orders is written in phonetic Arabic script but actually reads as Turkish.

The documents that I posted are written in Persian (Farsi).

As for Markus beauties I'll wait for Babar opinion ;)

[Markus]

From what I have read on blog sites Persians can read the Ottoman orders and there isn't much difference between the two scripts.

[drclaw]

I had a Saudi friend look at some Ottoman awarding documents for me.

He could phonetically read the script (Arabic) but the "sounds" made no sense to him as it was Turkish although there were some common words.

It took awhile for my mind to grasp, but it was no different to a French person reading a text in German. Unless he was also fluent in German, being able to read the text doesn't necessarily mean understanding the meaning of the words.

[Markus]

I had a Saudi friend look at some Ottoman awarding documents for me.

He could phonetically read the script (Arabic) but the "sounds" made no sense to him as it was Turkish although there were some common words.

It took awhile for my mind to grasp, but it was no different to a French person reading a text in German. Unless he was also fluent in German, being able to read the text doesn't necessarily mean understanding the meaning of the words.

Hey Gavin,

I ran this issue past Babar and he agrees with your assessment. The same alphabet is used and it can be read, but it makes no sense to him unless he also knows Turkish language.

[JapanX]

Another doc.

This time with order.

Accordingto the seller this one were issued to Mozaffar-Al-Din Shah's personal teacher and the curator of Royal Museum in 1903 (1320 AH).

Obverse

[JapanX]

Reverse

[JapanX]

Doc

[JapanX]

The bestowal order also comes with the French translation on the reverse and a separate by Museum D'Histoire Naturelle

[JapanX]

Doc for 4th class awarded to a french medicine teacher in 1906.

[JapanX]

Back

[JapanX]

Exellent document for 2nd class

Edited June 26, 2014 by JapanX

[JapanX]

Nice stamp!

[JapanX]

Issued on May 31, 1902 to General der Infanterie Konrad Ernst von Goßler

[JapanX]

Basic info about him

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Ernst_von_Go%C3%9Fler

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[JapanX]

His set