Scowen Posted January 22, 2006 Author Posted January 22, 2006 I still can't decide as to colour border, but you are indeed correct with the broach, here it is......
Gold Party Pin Guy Posted January 22, 2006 Posted January 22, 2006 Here's my Reich level Type 2 Staff badge.
Gold Party Pin Guy Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 (edited) Stephen, On the Type II standard badges, do you happen to have 9118G in Husken's book? The one I posted is that badge. Measurements are 21.5mm x 21.5mm. If you do and have the time and inclination could you post an image of its' reverse please? . Robert Hi Robert,Finally got a moment to myself to look. Sadly I have the 1992/3 edition of Husken, so the numbers don't match up, but I've posted all the Type II member badges I have. The one you showed looks perfectly fine to me, and they clearly made a range of sizes. What was it you were looking for about this particular badge? Edited January 23, 2006 by Gold Party Pin Guy
BURGERHAUS Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 Hi Robert,Finally got a moment to myself to look. Sadly I have the 1992/3 edition of Husken, so the numbers don't match up, but I've posted all the Type II member badges I have. The one you showed looks perfectly fine to me, and they clearly made a range of sizes. What was it you were looking for about this particular badge? Stephen, Actually I was looking for a reverse image to compare with mine. Mine is not RZM marked so I was curious as to whether (sp?) it was produced only pre-RZM or post as well. I haven't been able to find any 21.5mm x 21.5mm at all to compare. Thanks for pursuing this though. Robert
Gold Party Pin Guy Posted January 23, 2006 Posted January 23, 2006 Stephen, Actually I was looking for a reverse image to compare with mine. Mine is not RZM marked so I was curious as to whether (sp?) it was produced only pre-RZM or post as well. I haven't been able to find any 21.5mm x 21.5mm at all to compare. Thanks for pursuing this though. Robert"63" or M1/63 is Steinhauer & Luck - the same as your badge - one of the major producers of these badges. Yours is a fine pre-RZM example, since these badges started before RZM marking began. I'd say the pre-RZM maker marked ones are rarer.
Koj Posted February 11, 2006 Posted February 11, 2006 another sympathisers broach in wear.regardsflorian
Scowen Posted February 11, 2006 Author Posted February 11, 2006 Hi Flo, welcome aboard, glad to see you found us.Nice picture, could we see a closer shot of the badge please?CheersDon
Koj Posted February 11, 2006 Posted February 11, 2006 Hey Don. yes, a friend gave me the link Sure, here is a closer shot of the badge.
Koj Posted February 11, 2006 Posted February 11, 2006 Here?s an old ladie who wears (the small version?) of the Frauenschaft pin.regardsFlorian
Scowen Posted February 11, 2006 Author Posted February 11, 2006 Thanks for the closer image & the older ladie is a nice picture as well.Thanks for sharing them.CheersDon
BURGERHAUS Posted February 11, 2006 Posted February 11, 2006 [attachmentid=27116][attachmentid=27118]Gentlemen, Well, I think I should stick to tinnies and start collecting photos. I think it is still a lot "safer". Well, I just returned from a small show nearby with 2 ladies badges. One is an NS Frauensch. and the other a TypeIII Frauenschaft. I will scan the TypeIII later but take a look at the Frauensch. and objectively tell me what you think. I know 75 is Shickle and I beleive he used a rather fancy Z in his RZM stamp. At least that is what I see when I researced his badges. What I do not like about this badge is that it has a horizontal pin attachment. Take a look.....please be objective....it can allways go back. I was just a little overcome by impulsiveness because I don't see many of these for sale. I do see Stephen' badge right on this thread with a vertical pin attachment however. Thank you guys....Fire Away Robert
BURGERHAUS Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 [attachmentid=27234][attachmentid=27235]Here is the Type III as promised. No opinions on the NS Frauensch.? Robert
Gold Party Pin Guy Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 [attachmentid=27116][attachmentid=27118]Gentlemen, Well, I think I should stick to tinnies and start collecting photos. I think it is still a lot "safer". Well, I just returned from a small show nearby with 2 ladies badges. One is an NS Frauensch. and the other a TypeIII Frauenschaft. I will scan the TypeIII later but take a look at the Frauensch. and objectively tell me what you think. I know 75 is Shickle and I beleive he used a rather fancy Z in his RZM stamp. At least that is what I see when I researced his badges. What I do not like about this badge is that it has a horizontal pin attachment. Take a look.....please be objective....it can allways go back. I was just a little overcome by impulsiveness because I don't see many of these for sale. I do see Stephen' badge right on this thread with a vertical pin attachment however. Thank you guys....Fire Away RobertI have no problem with this badge at all - in fact I like it a lot. It's from Jan-March 1935, and the odd orientation of the RZM stamp is very interesting. Not something you'd see in later stanardized badges, but looks period. I wouldn't worry about pin attachment too much in the early badges.
BURGERHAUS Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 Thank you Stephen for your expertise. It is always nice to hear imput either good or bad from someone else. Except for forums on the web and some reference materials, I pusue this hobby totally and completely solo. This is probably why I have a tendency to overpost here on this forum. This and another venueare the only chances I get to show my stuff. I did show my party badge collection to some "friends" this past summer. I haven't talked to them since. So thank you for complimenting my new piece and THANK YOU for allowing those interested to download your RZM guide. I use it constantly. Take Care. Robert
Scowen Posted February 14, 2006 Author Posted February 14, 2006 This is probably why I have a tendency to overpost here on this forum. Robert, you do not overpost, the rest of us underpost. I tend to try not to just say "nice badge" all the time & so stay quiet unless I can give an informed answer. I haven't a clue with your 75 but will happily go along with Stephen's conclusion as he has studdied the RZM far more than I. I am confident though when I say your type III looks fine.Keep posting my friend. CheersDon
Gold Party Pin Guy Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 (edited) Hi Robert,Don is quite right - post away. I'm always happy to see what other people have up their sleeves, and I've been helped by many on this and other sites.A thought occurred to me about your badge. I suspect (and it's only a suspicion) that the manufacturer may have cut corners and used an existing RZM reverse die and tried to get it to fit on the back of a smaller pin. That would account for the odd orientation and fit.I personally like these badges with a little character more than some of the "textbook" ones. Thanks for sharing. Edited February 14, 2006 by Gold Party Pin Guy
BURGERHAUS Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 I will post away. Thanks for looking in and offering your expertise and advice. Right now I am waiting to hear from James who has a 27mm Frauenschaft to see if his pin attachment is vertical or horizontal. Don't forget your wives and girlfriends tonight. Robert
BURGERHAUS Posted February 14, 2006 Posted February 14, 2006 I just heard from James Noble and his 27mm Frauenschaft has horizontal pin attachment as does my 27mm Frauensch. Although I am curious about the RZM stamp's positioning It is a keeper. Robert
Scowen Posted February 15, 2006 Author Posted February 15, 2006 Good news indeed Robert Wives? Girlfriends? Why? Do they want a nice Frauenschaft badge? CheersD
BURGERHAUS Posted February 15, 2006 Posted February 15, 2006 [attachmentid=27581]Don, No. no, no badges of any kind. Just....
BURGERHAUS Posted February 17, 2006 Posted February 17, 2006 One final thought on this thread. Which non-compulsory organization had the largest membership?? You guessed it. NSF!!! Off to a new thread.
BURGERHAUS Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Matt, Sorry I am so late to respond to your question regarding my statement about NSF. I had remembered reading it somewhere and alas I have finally found it. I mispoke. It was not NSF but DFW. Page 16 BACKING HITLER by Robert Gellately. "In addition, the mass-oriented 'German Women's Enterprise' (Deutches Frauenwerk, DFW), founded in September 1933 as an umbrella organization to take the place of women's organizations that had been 'coordinated' or eliminated by the Nazis, gained a membership of 2.7 million by 1935, and that number grew by 1938 to 'around four million' and thereby became the largest non-compulsory organization in the country." The author could be wrong or more likely did not include actual party membership. Robert
MattGibbs Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Robert;Very interesting. I am suprised it was even DFW, discounting the actual party membership, I was guessing at DAF, since it included men and women. Interesting facts though.I am busy researching some of the NSF numbers at the moment, I have some copies of their literature and year books, which I am working on. I shall have to start a thread later about the DAF pins, because I have a couple to share that I like.TTFNMatt
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