Saxe-Coburg-Gotha Ernestine Commander with 1914/1918 Dates

[Beau Newman]

Here is an interesting Commander of the Ernestine House Order with the added dates "1914" and "1918". The cross tests at 14k gold and the weight is 38.1 g. As I understand it, these were awarded to military officers for non-combat achievements. 1918 would be the year of bestowal. I have included a couple of close-ups of the dates. There does not appear to be a standard format for the dates that I can find. Any enlightenment on whether these may simply be later additions would, of course, be appreciated as I haven't seen enough of these to get a good read on it. Any further information on the award itself would also be appreciated.

[Guest Rick Research]

Can't address real/added on--beyond my experience. I'm rather surprised a real gold one would have been recycled though.

In our 2008 "Triple Ernestines" will be found the list of all recipients. There was only 1 Commander-with-Star and 6 Commanders awarded in 1918: 3 to ancient retired officers recalled for war service, 1 each to active/retired-recalled military officials, and 2 to civilians.

There shouldn't eb a lot of these floating around.

Edited September 4, 2013 by Rick Research

[Beau Newman]

Thanks - I figured it would be a low number since the number of potential recipients had to be small given the requirements for eligibility.

[VtwinVince]

Very nice cross, and not common with the dates. I have a commander's cross without dates.

[eurorders]

That then is one HEAVY medal in gold! Here is some of my budding research on scales and weights of some gold Euro orders of old. I only WISH I owned these, but one day...:

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Greek Order Redeemer 18K  commander 23.8 grams and 45 MM by 95 MM.

Order Vasa 60 by 38 MM  16.5 grams

Order Vasa knight  crosses: 15.6, 16.1, 14.8, 14.3, 17.9, 16.1, 15.8 and 14.2 grams

Order polar star knight  14.46 grams

Prussia Order Crown 1^st class  62 MM by 67 MM  34.5 grams

Prussia Order Crown 1^st class  60 MM by 65 MM   25.5 grams

Prussia Order Crown commander  52 by 52  19.8 grams

Monaco Order St. Charles officer or knight.  20.3 grams

Monaco grand cross, order of Karl or Carlos 33.5 grams and 54 MM across

Hesse Order Philip the magnanimous knight  13.9 (14 g) 35 MM across. 

Order Orange Nassau knight,  55 MM side to side and weight 33 grams. 

German, Saxon military order St. Henry 76 MM by 120 MM  103 grams

Bavaria Order St. Michael 47 MM by 83 MM  28.6 grams

Bavaria merit order 50 by 77 MM (long cross) 

An early Bavarian merit order without flames or crown  39 MM by 46 MM and 13.1 grams (1800s)

Luxembourg Order Oaken Crown officer,  15 grams 

Netherlands, Orange Nassau Officer   17 grams  

Stanislas grand cross  60.5 MM (tall) by 55.5 MM across  30.5 grams

St. Stanislas commander  48 MM by 52 MM. Others were 56 MM and 49 MM

St. Stanislas first class  61 MM by 66 MM

Stanislas first class 27.6 grams

St. Stansilas 2nd class  55 MM by 43 MM wide.  Weight 11 grams  asking $1,800

Stanislas 2^nd class 19.9 grams

St. Stanislas 2^nd class 49 MM by 53 MM

Stanslas 2^nd class 47 MM by 51 MM

Stanislas 3^rd class  40 MM by 40 MM  and 10.4 grams 

Stanislas 3^rd class  10.4 grams

St. Stanislas 3^rd class 11 grams and 45 MM 

Stansilas 3^rd class.  40 MM

Large early Order of Leopold 40 grams! Another one I saw is 45 grams!

Order Franz Josef commander  25.5 grams and 20.7 grams

Order Franz Josef commander  37 MM by 70 MM

Franz Josef knight cross  16.5 grams

Sweden Order of the Sword grand cross 81 MM by 58 MM   39.6 grams

other O. of Sword grand crosses  29.5 grams and 30.4 grams

Order of Sword commanders cross 79 MM by 59 MM and 34.7 grams> others are 28.6, 33.1, 33.4 grams

Order Sword knights crosses 16.7, 21.6, 10.8, 9.8, 11.1, 16.8, 19.9, 16.2 and 15.3 grams

Sweden Order North Star  knights cross   16.1 , 18.6, 15.4, 12.1, 12.7 and 17.8 grams grams

Order North Star grand cross, 27.6 grams

Order North Star commanders crosses: 24.3, 27.2 grams

Order North star commander 55 MM by 80 MM

Sweden Order Seraphim  28. Grams

Bavarian Military Merit order 39.6 MM by 46 MM and 13.1 grams

Legion Honor Napoleon III  grand commander 19.44 grams 

Legion Honor 2^nd empire  43 MM officer  19 grams

Legion Honor officer  third republic 16 grams

Order of the Iron Crown  29.5 MM by 54.7 MM knight breast badge 24.7 grams

Order Iron Crown knight  19.31 grams

O. Iron Crown  90 MM high and 40 MM wide

Hungary Order St. Stephen 42 MM by 78 MM  25.3 grams

Saxe Ernestine House Order  57 MM across and 89 MM tall. 1.3 ounces

Bavarian Order Military Merit, 2^nd class  24.5 grams

Brunswick Order of Henry the Lion, commander, 32.4 grams

Royal Guelphic Order commander  18K  37.7 grams 48 MM by 76 MM

Order Dannebrog  40 MM by 77 MM and 40.6 grams

Order Dannebrog knights crosses: 14, 14.8, 15.7, 16.3 12.7, 17.3 and 14.6 grams

Dannebrog commanders cross 33.8 grams

Dannebrog grand cross 48.2 grams and 32.3 grams (75 MM by 38 MM)

Duchy of Parma 10.8 grams knight II class asking 43 MM across,

Order Carloss III of spain 11.2 grams  

Order Vladimir 40 MM by 40 MM (14K)  15.8 grams.

Order Vladimir 4^th class  39 MM tall by 35 MM wide, 7 grams

St. Vladimir 4^th class  34.6 MM by 38.8 MM

Order Vladmir 4^th class  34.5 MM and 7.27 grams

St. Anne commander  34.7 MM and 7.7 grams

Order St. Anna  35 MM and 9 grams 

O. St. Anna  2^nd class  42.5 MM by 49 MM

O. St. Anna 2^nd class  21.5 grams

St. Anna/Anna 44 MM

St. Anna 3^rd class 36 MM by 40 MM (14K)

St. Anna  45 MM by 45 MM

Netherlands O. of North Star, knight 43 MM

Netherlands Order North Star first class/grand officer  55 MM by 80 MM

Zahringer Lion  39 MM

A grand cross  84 MM tall by 54 MM wide, 33.5 grams (a little over ounce)

Norwegian Order St. Olav  56 MM by 87 MM

Germany Order of White Falcon  40 by 60 MM and 13.2 grams

Peter Freidrich Ludwig (Louis)  knight cross  15.7 grams

Order of Red Eagle II class  20.6 grams

Order of the Crown  III class  10.8 grams

Brandenburg Order of St. Johannis grand cross  102 grams

Saxon Order of Albrecht/Albert  commander cross  31.2 grams and 32.4 grams, another model

Saxon Ernestine House Order commander cross  55.6 grams

Wurttemberg Friedrichs order commander cross  29.4 grams

Order of Leopold grand cross  50.6 grams

Order of Leopold commander  45.4 grams and 10.9 grams

Order of Leopold commander  45 grams and 91 MM by 57 MM

Another Order Leopold commander 41 grams and 90 MM by 56 MM

Pre 1887 Order St. Michael and St. George commander (KC)  68.2 grams

Order St. Lazarus, Italy grand cross  36.8 grams

Order of the Italian crown grand officer  17.6 grams

Order of the Italian crown commander, 15.5 grams

Order of the Italian crown  officer, 9.1 grams

Order St. Olaf  grand cross  33.1 grams

Order St. Olaf commander  36.1 grams

Order of Leopold (Austria) knight  19.4 grams

 

Edited November 1, 2017 by eurorders