Guest Brian von Etzel Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Saw this one over the weekend and couldn't resist a few photos. Couldn't remember this design but the catch, hinge and obverse made me think it was OK.Opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 back w mm and rivets and pin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 mm detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Gordon Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 BrianWith the maker mark being very non-standard, I'd be concerned with this one.Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Hi Brian,Well, this is a strange beast! The obverse shows that it?s an example by B&NL. The reverse confirms this by having the correct hinge assembly and recessed catch. The rivets are something of a mystery (possibly very late) as is the maker mark. As Richard points out, this maker mark is a worry.Deumer badges retained the oblong hinge plate and round catch plate throughout their zinc series.So, we most likely have an unmarked B&NL badge with a post-war stamping of a bogus Deumer maker mark or a cast copy of same. If it is a copy, it?s been very well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 It was strange to me too and that's why I passed on it. The obverse looked good for it didn't say Deumer to me... The clasp and hinge looked good but the rivets were very weird. I would have expected some better finishing...I'll blow up the reverse when I get back to my camera and see if there are any tell tale signs of casting. And yes the MM doesn't look like what few I do know about.So no other Deumer badges with other people's parts then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Deumer is well known for their collaboration with C.E Juncker. If you?re lucky enough to find a Deumer piece, eight times out of ten it will be made from Juncker parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Here's the wreath detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Well, from that picture it looks okay. Can't see any of the usual signs of casting. Of course better pix would be needed to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 John here's another closeup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Again, no obvious signs of it being a cast copy. I'm leaning toward it being an original unmarked AG/FE badge (Possibly the unqualified version) by B&NL with a bogus post-war marking.Any other opinions, guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 Perhaps it's a Deuner and not a Deumer from Luedenscheid I didn't even notice that one before. So somebody got these unmarked perfectly nice badges and marked them with bad marks like Deuner? Or, is this a bad badge even by B&NL? I like the badge though... Very convincing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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