Trooper_D Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 IrishGunnerThe sign in the second photo says 'Happy Christmas 1925' in Czech, so the answer to the question posed in your thread title is, yes. I suspect you knew that already and are actually after a unit identification - which I can offer no help with - but I thought I would score the easy points before anyone else :)
Trooper_D Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 Slightly more useful than my last answer, post #30 on the page I've linked to shows the 'crossed swords' button shown in the first photo and identifies them as Czech, without giving a date: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/247799-old-metal-buttons-2.html.
IrishGunner Posted October 12, 2013 Author Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) Trooper, yea, I have a good idea they are both Czech. But tossing it out there for the group to see if anyone has any confirmation or details. The guy in the portrait shot has a badge on his cap that looks very much like the Czech Lion cap badge of pre-WWII. Your button thread is further confirmation. Only, his uniform lacks the collar badges seen on the soldiers in the group photo... Motif continued after WWII with the communist state... Edited October 12, 2013 by IrishGunner
IrishGunner Posted October 12, 2013 Author Posted October 12, 2013 I've won these recently in auction; so, when they get here, I'll be able to see if there is anything on the back. Unfortunately, lost the bidding war on one that was clearly an artillery unit - because of the cannons in the group photo.
Trooper_D Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 IrishGunner I think the photo below (from http://www.indiannet.eu/home_resistance/gbpart4.html) confirms the attribution of your first photo. It is of a Czech artillery lieutenant called Rudolf Pernický and is dated to 1938. Although it is an officer's uniform, note the buttons with the crossed swords and the same shaped collar and collar tabs. What I have discovered in all this is that images on the Internet of inter-war years Czech soldiers appear to be as rare as hens' teeth!
IrishGunner Posted October 12, 2013 Author Posted October 12, 2013 What I have discovered in all this is that images on the Internet of inter-war years Czech soldiers appear to be as rare as hens' teeth! Agreed. I did a search as well and found very, very little. Which is why I went after these photos.
Trooper_D Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 Agreed. I did a search as well and found very, very little. Which is why I went after these photos. Now that's thinking strategically Congrats on winning the photos btw.
Iver Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Trooper, yea, I have a good idea they are both Czech. But tossing it out there for the group to see if anyone has any confirmation or details. The guy in the portrait shot has a badge on his cap that looks very much like the Czech Lion cap badge of pre-WWII. Your button thread is further confirmation. Only, his uniform lacks the collar badges seen on the soldiers in the group photo... Motif continued after WWII with the communist state... ..it is not so simple... the cap badge with lion was in CZECHOSLOVAKIA used for a very long period... on the photo with 3 badges are not only pre WWII badges but also badge used after WWII till 1960.. the only difference is in the tails of lion... on preWWII badges the tails go up, after the war on side (to lion).. after 1960 was another type of shield used and also there is no slovak coat of arms on the chest of lion, but a mountain with a fire (as on the other photo... on the second photo of soldiers they have a collar badge wich can identify the brach of the unit.. some of those soldiers have on their breasts qualification badges
IrishGunner Posted October 15, 2013 Author Posted October 15, 2013 on the second photo of soldiers they have a collar badge wich can identify the brach of the unit.. some of those soldiers have on their breasts qualification badges It's never simple is it? Once the actual photos arrive, I can do my own scan and try to bring up the collars and qualification badges for further identification. Iver, do you have a guess now as to branch of the group photo?
Iver Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 ...on the group photo? I would say a mountain unit, here the collar badge of mountain troops... on the photo (under nr.5) my greatgrand father (WWI veteran) as a corporal of mountain artillery regiment in 1921 (wearing an older version of uniform)...
IrishGunner Posted October 15, 2013 Author Posted October 15, 2013 Possibly a Mountain unit... Oh, that would be good. Possibly Mountain artillery...would be great!
Iver Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 ...could be also mountain infantry, qualification badges can tell us more... try to do high quality scans
Markgraf Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 What I have discovered in all this is that images on the Internet of inter-war years Czech soldiers appear to be as rare as hens' teeth! Do you want see some?
Trooper_D Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 Do you want see some? Markgraf IrishGunner might and I certainly would!
Markgraf Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 Trooper D: As You Wish 1st Lt. Bartoš (Nadporučík) the band leader of the 1st Rifle Regiment "Jan Hus" 1921 II. 1., České Budějovice Trooper of the 9th Cavalry Regiment (Vysoké Mýto) between 1920 and 1930 Others coming soon tomorrow
Trooper_D Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) Trooper D: As You Wish Very interesting, thank you. I look forward the the rest of your photos. Can you explain me the significance of the chevrons on the arm of Lt Bartos' tunic, please? Edited October 21, 2013 by Trooper_D
IrishGunner Posted October 21, 2013 Author Posted October 21, 2013 Do you want see some? Well, isn't that the idea of the forum...to see some more? It's more fun when others post besides me!
IrishGunner Posted October 21, 2013 Author Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) Always good to see photos with medals like Bartoš. And I bet he enjoyed a Budvar or two... Edited October 21, 2013 by IrishGunner
Markgraf Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) Very interesting, thank you. I look forward the the rest of your photos. Can you explain me the significance of the chevrons on the arm of Lt Bartos' tunic, please? Not at all! As far as I know they are service ribbons - according these the guy served in the Legion and/or the AH Army His medals: Czechoslovak War Cross 1914-1918 The Revolution Cross And at the end probably the ribbon of the Victory Medal Edited October 22, 2013 by Markgraf
Markgraf Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 Legionaries: desiatnik ašpirant (officer candidate? corporal) of the 10th Rifle Regiment "Jana Sladkého Koziny", Brno, with I. class rifle badge vojnik (private) of the 101th Artillery Regiment, Praha Soldiers of the above regiment Unknown infantry unit The buttons: the CS of twenenties, the crossed swords introduced around 1930
Trooper_D Posted October 22, 2013 Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) The buttons: the CS of twenenties, the crossed swords introduced around 1930Nice dating evidence! Edited October 22, 2013 by Trooper_D
Markgraf Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 ...do you know the first name of "Bartoš"? The backside of the photo:
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