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    It is an order, so it goes first. About the book: the second edition is quite similar to the first, only a few changes. If you mind the differences, the 2003 version gives you both textes.

    Posted

    Rocketscientist,

    Regarding the Terza Armata, is this the model with the error you were refering to?

    Is it pricy and do you know its value on the market? Do fakes of this specific model exist?

    Cheers,

    Jean-Sam.

    Posted

    Correct. Fassino is the manufacturer who produced the mistaken medal. His mintmark shall always be there on all RICONOCSENZA medals.

    As far as I know the obverse is identical to the correct open from the same factory, to spot fake you should compare the obverse with a sure original (even without the error).

    As far as the medal you've posted is concerned, I like it.

    For the price, I'm not the right person to help you. I would make a statistic on bay's closed auctions.

    cheers

    sergio

    Posted

    I think we should wait for more experts giving their opinions. I looked for original L.Fassino 3rd Army Crosses on the internet and made this collage.

    I see many differences in the medal you posted, j-sk, with respect to the others. One of the most evident is in the crown. Maybe there are variations also in the Fassino's production, this I don't know.

    Please note that the two medals taken for comparison are not confirmed originals, even if both have Fassino markings on the reverse.

    Posted

    Thank you Sergio for this comparison.

    You are right. It is much better... and safer... to wait for more acurate and knowledgeable infos.

    Posted

    Browsing other forums, I found another picture of a 3rd Army Cross like the one posted by j-sk. Nobody put in doubt the originality.

    I think it is not the final conclusion, yet, but a positive piece of information for assessing the authenticity of your medal, j-sk.

    Posted

    You are absolutely right: one can never be too prudent when it comes to buying rare items!

    Posted (edited)

    Book: Medaglie a croce FF. AA. 1900/1989, by A. Brambilla and I. Fossati.

    Very good book nicely illutrated.

    The few pictures of officers and men are very interesting as well in their showing the way WW1 soldiers used to wear their medals on the chest.

    I have noticed that - on the contrary to other nations, France excluded - they did not wear all their medals on one single multiple bar, one medal covering half of the next one, but every medal clearly separated from the other on two or three rows. Was that a general habit in the Italian army or was it possible to wear them in one row only (one medal on top of the other)?

    Edited by j-sk
    Posted

    The ribbons should not be overimposed. The standard size is 37mm. The medals, however, have different sizes. Thus sometimes you have medals overimposed and sometimes not. If I remember well, the general rule is to have no more than 4 medals in each row.

    Here are two medal bars from Gen. Vaccaro, with some little things not properly regular:

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    Posted

    Here is an interesting and very impressive "medagliere" of a brave Italian nurse named Teresa Floreale (see attachment).

    As you can see, the SEVEN medals on the top row are attached to what looks like a typical Italian medal bar... which adds to my confusion regarding the wearing of these medals...

    I take this opportunity to pay a tribute to those unarmed non-combattants who, whatever the circumstances and especially on a theatre of operations, display great courage and are an example to all.

    We shall remember them!

    Posted

    Hep! The only answer I can find is that every rule has its exception, specially in Italy! However, in modern uniform, this is the way (Admiral De Giorgi, commander in chief of the Navy):

    ammiraglio.jpg

    Posted

    Here is an interesting and very impressive "medagliere" of a brave Italian nurse named Teresa Floreale (see attachment).

    As you can see, the SEVEN medals on the top row are attached to what looks like a typical Italian medal bar... which adds to my confusion regarding the wearing of these medals...

    I take this opportunity to pay a tribute to those unarmed non-combattants who, whatever the circumstances and especially on a theatre of operations, display great courage and are an example to all.

    We shall remember them!

    seven ribbons of 37mm in a row without overlap means 277mm of breast to cover... I would say that that medal bar was never worn, actually. I think it is just a setup for the display. :whistle:

    As far as the non-combatant serving motherland in wartime, I join you, j-sk, in remembering them all.

    cheers

    sergio

    Posted

    You are right, actually... unless she had a rather impressive and "Diva-like" bosom.... ;)

    Cheers,

    Jean-Sam.

    Posted

    But what about General Diaz, the hero of Vittorio Veneto's "medagliere"? Overlapping medals was authorized then? ...puzzle-puzzle...

    Cheers,

    Jean-Sam

    Posted

    But what about General Diaz, the hero of Vittorio Veneto's "medagliere"? Overlapping medals was authorized then? ...puzzle-puzzle...

    Cheers,

    Jean-Sam

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