claudio2574 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 It is an order, so it goes first. About the book: the second edition is quite similar to the first, only a few changes. If you mind the differences, the 2003 version gives you both textes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 Rocketscientist, Regarding the Terza Armata, is this the model with the error you were refering to? Is it pricy and do you know its value on the market? Do fakes of this specific model exist? Cheers, Jean-Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketscientist Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Correct. Fassino is the manufacturer who produced the mistaken medal. His mintmark shall always be there on all RICONOCSENZA medals. As far as I know the obverse is identical to the correct open from the same factory, to spot fake you should compare the obverse with a sure original (even without the error). As far as the medal you've posted is concerned, I like it. For the price, I'm not the right person to help you. I would make a statistic on bay's closed auctions. cheers sergio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 Thank you Sergio. Here is the picture of the front. Cheers, Jean-Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketscientist Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I think we should wait for more experts giving their opinions. I looked for original L.Fassino 3rd Army Crosses on the internet and made this collage. I see many differences in the medal you posted, j-sk, with respect to the others. One of the most evident is in the crown. Maybe there are variations also in the Fassino's production, this I don't know. Please note that the two medals taken for comparison are not confirmed originals, even if both have Fassino markings on the reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 Thank you Sergio for this comparison. You are right. It is much better... and safer... to wait for more acurate and knowledgeable infos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketscientist Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Browsing other forums, I found another picture of a 3rd Army Cross like the one posted by j-sk. Nobody put in doubt the originality. I think it is not the final conclusion, yet, but a positive piece of information for assessing the authenticity of your medal, j-sk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share Posted February 8, 2014 Thank you for taking on your time in this quest! Cheers, Jean-Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketscientist Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 It is also my interest to keep active this discussion. I'm also interested in having a Fassino's 3rd army cross and I need to learn all I can in order to avoid bad choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share Posted February 8, 2014 You are absolutely right: one can never be too prudent when it comes to buying rare items! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Book: Medaglie a croce FF. AA. 1900/1989, by A. Brambilla and I. Fossati. Very good book nicely illutrated. The few pictures of officers and men are very interesting as well in their showing the way WW1 soldiers used to wear their medals on the chest. I have noticed that - on the contrary to other nations, France excluded - they did not wear all their medals on one single multiple bar, one medal covering half of the next one, but every medal clearly separated from the other on two or three rows. Was that a general habit in the Italian army or was it possible to wear them in one row only (one medal on top of the other)? Edited February 10, 2014 by j-sk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudio2574 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 The ribbons should not be overimposed. The standard size is 37mm. The medals, however, have different sizes. Thus sometimes you have medals overimposed and sometimes not. If I remember well, the general rule is to have no more than 4 medals in each row. Here are two medal bars from Gen. Vaccaro, with some little things not properly regular: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 Here is an interesting and very impressive "medagliere" of a brave Italian nurse named Teresa Floreale (see attachment). As you can see, the SEVEN medals on the top row are attached to what looks like a typical Italian medal bar... which adds to my confusion regarding the wearing of these medals... I take this opportunity to pay a tribute to those unarmed non-combattants who, whatever the circumstances and especially on a theatre of operations, display great courage and are an example to all. We shall remember them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudio2574 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Hep! The only answer I can find is that every rule has its exception, specially in Italy! However, in modern uniform, this is the way (Admiral De Giorgi, commander in chief of the Navy): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 Splendid officer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketscientist Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Here is an interesting and very impressive "medagliere" of a brave Italian nurse named Teresa Floreale (see attachment). As you can see, the SEVEN medals on the top row are attached to what looks like a typical Italian medal bar... which adds to my confusion regarding the wearing of these medals... I take this opportunity to pay a tribute to those unarmed non-combattants who, whatever the circumstances and especially on a theatre of operations, display great courage and are an example to all. We shall remember them! seven ribbons of 37mm in a row without overlap means 277mm of breast to cover... I would say that that medal bar was never worn, actually. I think it is just a setup for the display. As far as the non-combatant serving motherland in wartime, I join you, j-sk, in remembering them all. cheers sergio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 You are right, actually... unless she had a rather impressive and "Diva-like" bosom.... Cheers, Jean-Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 But what about General Diaz, the hero of Vittorio Veneto's "medagliere"? Overlapping medals was authorized then? ...puzzle-puzzle... Cheers, Jean-Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 But what about General Diaz, the hero of Vittorio Veneto's "medagliere"? Overlapping medals was authorized then? ...puzzle-puzzle... Cheers, Jean-Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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