For Research Looking for inform. about arm patches used by zeppelin crew

[Frozzer]

Hi Guys

I am looking for information about arm patches and emblems used by zeppelins crew on felduniforms.
Could You help me to find some references about this?
any book titles where I can find informations, or maybe You have some eqsamples of patches which You could show here??

I want also identify these two patches.
This guys are from hauptmann von Quast team, and they was flying on Zeppelin ZIV

I am also looking for information about zeppelin base in Diwitten near Allenstein

Big thanks
Michal

Edited February 16, 2014 by Frozzer

[The Prussian]

Hello Michael!

The patches on your photos are from a "Maschinist" (engeneer)

There were only two arm-patches. This propeller fpr engeneers, and a steering wheel for helmsmen.

The Z IV was the LZ16:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Zeppelins

[Frozzer]

Hi, thanks

Is possible also that the man from first pgoto was a machinegun schotter also having an engeneer patch?

[The Prussian]

I´m not sure. This man only has the patch of an engeneer

[Frozzer]

Maybe You know why they had the same patch but in different colour ?

[The Prussian]

I can´t believe, it´s another colour. Those patches were red-piped with a white insignia

[Frozzer]

please take a look, It's clearly visible that patches are in different colour

I think that guy wich is standing on right had a red colour patch, but the one wich is lying on a floor looks like to have it in a different colour, maybe white or yellow ?

[The Prussian]

Yes, it seems so. But I only have the infos, that they were white. Maybe someone has other infos? That would be interesting!

[Chip]

The man on the floor might have the metallic thread version, so that the propellars appear brighter.

Chip

[Chip]

There were only two arm-patches. This propeller fpr engeneers, and a steering wheel for helmsmen.

There was also a radio operator's patch and I think a searchlight one as well. These may not have been official, but I have seen them being worn in crew photos.

Chip