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Hi Guys

I am looking for information about arm patches and emblems used by zeppelins crew on felduniforms.
Could You help me to find some references about this?
any book titles where I can find informations, or maybe You have some eqsamples of patches which You could show here??

I want also identify these two patches.
This guys are from hauptmann von Quast team, and they was flying on Zeppelin ZIV

I am also looking for information about zeppelin base in Diwitten near Allenstein

Big thanks

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please take a look, It's clearly visible that patches are in different colour

I think that guy wich is standing on right had a red colour patch, but the one wich is lying on a floor looks like to have it in a different colour, maybe white or yellow ?

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There were only two arm-patches. This propeller fpr engeneers, and a steering wheel for helmsmen.
There was also a radio operator's patch and I think a searchlight one as well. These may not have been official, but I have seen them being worn in crew photos.
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