blueman Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 what do you think guys i like but ?http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2014/post-10499-0-58909500-1393258098.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2014/post-10499-0-40671400-1393258117.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Its the arms of the Duke of Devonshire, could be a livery badge of the Ducal household. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueman Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 not shako plate or belt plate ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Definitely a Napoleonic period shako plate, but probably one of the Volunteers regiments which were raised in the period. Pretty sure it's not a regular regiment, as the proportions are slightly off - too tall and narrow - and the regiments which had regimental plates mostly used the standard 'template' with a regimental centre device replacing the royal cipher, rather than a unique design for the whole plate. Edited February 25, 2014 by peter monahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 It's definitely the Duke of Devonshire's arms, maybe he raised a volunteer unit at Chatsworth. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) That sounds like a reasonable assumption. There was apparently, in the Victorian period, a Chatsworth Rifles unit of the Derbyshire Militia, so an earlier [Napoleonic era] unit is not impossible. Edited February 27, 2014 by peter monahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Just found this on line, so it proves there was a Napoleonic period Chatsworth Volunteers. So you have a rare item.A Pamphlet, twelve pages 4 X 64, with paper cover ; entitled " An Addressdelivered to the Chatsworth Volunteers at the presentation of theirColours on Friday, June 27th 1806," by the Rev. Richard Smith chaplain.Printed at Chesterfield by H. Bradley, 1806.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Jim Balmer's unpublished work on Volunteer medals (Draft 1986) mentions a ball firing prize medal, in silver issued to the Chatsworth Volunteer Infantry in 1811, however no further description or image is given.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Further information about the unit taken from a 1998 Bosely's catalogue.Description: Derbyshire Officer's shako plate circa 1803-12 An extremely fine and rare gilt on copper example worn on the 1800-12 "stovepipe" shako. The plate is die struck with the Arms of the Dukes of Devonshire who purchased their family seat of Chatsworth in 1549 Provision for sewing onto shako with six pairs of small holes around the edge of the plate. Minor wear to highpoints of gilt. Vgc E750 - 1,000 Possibly worn by the Chatsworth Volunteer Infantry under Lt. Colonel Henry Thornton, raised 31st October 1803 or by it's successor the 1808 11 Chatsworth Local Militia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I notice this piece is in the Mellors and Kirk auction, Nottingham today and tomorrow- lot 691 www.mellors andkirk.co.uk Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Paul I can't pull up the lot on the M&L site. Do you mean that lot 691 is this particular shako plate? Or one like it? Looking back over the posts, I see that Blueman never did say where he'd seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Either that or it's identical twin. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mc William Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Hi blueman A fantastic "find" ! I am sure it dates from circa 1800 to 1812 and was worn on the "Stovepipe" shako. Could you possibly give me the dimensions and weight.....particularly the weight. Many thanks in advance. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry B Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Either that or it's identical twin. Paul The same one by the sound of it, even down to the wire loop on the reverse. A 2nd DERBY MILITIA (CHATSWORTH RIFLES) OFFICER'S POUCH BELT PLATE in sheet brass embossed with arms comprising shield, crest, helm, ducal coronet, supporters and motto CAVENDO TUTUS, 15cm h Raised in January 1855 and designated The Chatsworth Rifles on 22 May the same year, it subsequently became the 3rd Battalion Derbyshire Regiment and was amalgamated with the 5th Battalion in April 1891. Condition report: Some polish residues and with holes for mounting but lacking the screw posts, instead on the reverse a central soldered wire loop for suspension. Not damaged or repaired, the defects reflected in modest estimate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 This has been an interesting search - and thanks to Paul's ref.. material has made a succesful identification. Jerry's confirmation of the auction details prove it to be the one originally identified. Blueman - if you are the new - and very fortunate owner - perhaps you will let us know the hammer price ? Mervyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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