Fake Dragon that looks like he isn`t really Double

[JapanX]

No, I DON'T own this particular piece.

Exellent news!

[drclaw]

There's been speculation as to whether the St Petersburg Legation also issued its own Legation medal as at the time, there were three Qing Legations - London, Berlin and St Petersburg.

The London Legation Medal by Heatons of Birmingham was awarded by the London Legation, while the Berlin Legation Medal was issued in Berlin.

Would you be able to expand your thoughts as to the Heatons Medal also being awarded by the St Petersburg Legation?

[JapanX]

Well, take a look at this one man

[JapanX]

Usually these marks stay unnoticed

[JapanX]

А.А.Г.

A.A.G.

Авраам Авенирович Грилихес

Abraham Avenirovitch Griliches

Very famous medallist from St.Peterburg

[JapanX]

Here he is

[JapanX]

More info about him and his medals/crosses

http://www.ccoins.ru/article/grilihes.html

http://munz.ucoz.ru/publ/gravjory/avraam_avenirovich_grilikhes/5-1-0-230

[JapanX]

Here comes 100% Russian

[JapanX]

And another one

[JapanX]

Most likely some of the russian made medals were used in London as well.

Here comes an interesting specimen

[JapanX]

[JapanX]

Obverse/reverse close-ups

[JapanX]

These marks look familiar

Edited August 7, 2014 by JapanX

[JapanX]

Here we are again without any "ear"

[drclaw]

FANTASTIC STUFF Nick!

You've solved one enduring mystery regarding the Legation Medals - that the "London" Legation medals were in fact issued by both the London and St Petersburg Legations with two manufacturers: Heatons by Birmingham, and now Abraham Avenirovitch Griliches.

I think this deserves a separate thread!

[JapanX]

Heatons by Birmingham

Yep.

They often mention this one.

But personally I`ve never seen any docs or marks that could confirmed this

[JapanX]

that the "London" Legation medals were in fact issued by both the London and St Petersburg

It is quite possible that some french manufacturer could be pretty busy with manufacturing these babes.

Take a look at this one

[JapanX]

Now something special

[JapanX]

[paul wood]

Well I'll be *** where did those little babies come from.

Paul

[JapanX]

Well I'll be ***

It cannot be allowed!

[JapanX]

... where did those little babies come from.

Post #42 - from Harry Mohler Collection, Hoover Institution, Stanford University

Posts # 43 and 44 - from china auctions.

[drclaw]

#44 is fascinating! The presentation case and ribbon is undoubtedly Chinese made, which would make me hazard that the medal too was Chinese made.

The pristine condition raises a niggling doubt in my mind but it could well have been cleaned / polished for sale.

[JapanX]

The pristine condition raises a niggling doubt in my mind but it could well have been cleaned / polished for sale.

Unfortunately the photos are terrible ...

We also see ball suspension in post #25 ;)

[JapanX]

A couple of additional examples

This one looks very russian