TheMadBaron Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 Does anyone know if there is a way to verify which medals were awarded to individual Canadian soldiers of the conflict? I have a great-grandfather and great-great-grandfather who both served with the Canadian Expeditionary Force, and I know the latter had medals awarded as they're currently in the possession of a cousin who has fallen out of contact. Library and Personnel Records Canada has enlistment records publicly available, but I'm unable to find any database of medals awarded to individual soldiers. I can guess what they might have received based on dates and locations, but I want to be certain. I'm looking to purchase replacement medals from a dealer to have something to pass down. They won't be their medals, but they'll be their's in spirit.
Nightbreak Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 There is no database, per se. www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/search.aspx The Service Files at Library and Archives will have the Medal Cards for WWI, perhaps even online if your ancestors' files have been digitized for download. That will tell you Star, War & Victory, and any gallantry medals awarded. https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/military-medals-1812-1969/Pages/military-medals-honours-awards.aspx This database is for Long Service, both Colonial and Efficiency, as well as Gallantry and Pre-WWI service medals. Coronation and Jubilee, though, would be much trickier.
TheMadBaron Posted April 19, 2019 Author Posted April 19, 2019 I emailed Library and Archives Canada and received a quick response with a PDF of his entire war record. And this has added to the confusion. My great-great-grandfather's service officially began on 24 September 1915; he was shipped to England with the 71st Battalion of the CEF on April 1 1916 and arrived on April 11 in Liverpool, where he was transferred to the 51st Battalion of the CEF on June 16. He was discovered to have varicose veins and "neurasthenia", and was ruled to only be fit for garrison duty on November 8 1916. He departed for Canada on October 18 1917, was ruled medically unfit for further service and was discharged on November 15. Now, his discharge certificate describes his conduct as "very good", but on the heading of "Medals", it says "nil". He also signed a voluntary discharge paper where, again, someone has written "nil" under the "Medals" heading (this one dated January 15 1918). This has left me very confused. He was overseas with the CEF for a year and a half, so he should have at least received the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. I've heard through family lore that a distant cousin has his medals, and have seen a photo to this effect, but the records I've accessed say he was awarded nothing. How is this possible? Could they have been awarded subsequent to these documents being filed? At war's end perhaps? The reason I ask is that I had planned on purchasing a pair of replacement medals to be added to a framed photo I have of him, and was going to shell out the extra bit to get unnamed examples.
Nightbreak Posted April 19, 2019 Posted April 19, 2019 At most, he would have the British War Medal, as he was on garrison in the UK only, and not in a theater of war. Setting foot in France, for example, would have qualified him for the Victory. Was this card or something similar included in the PDF? https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/Pages/read-medal-card.aspx
TheMadBaron Posted April 19, 2019 Author Posted April 19, 2019 Yes, he has a medal card and there is a “B” in the upper right corner, but with an “X” through it.
Nightbreak Posted April 19, 2019 Posted April 19, 2019 The "X"s are another form of a checkmark. LAC uses George Bloome as an example card, and his medals were issued, even with an X through them. Same with Major Charles Ingels, whose Long Service Medal I've got, and he was a DSO winner. His B and V are crossed out. The Great War Forum suggests that the medals were not issued until after the war was over, and that includes 1919 in Siberia, so his discharge certificate would show that the medals weren't issued *yet*, and his Medal Index Card shows that the B was indeed entered, and issued.
TheMadBaron Posted April 19, 2019 Author Posted April 19, 2019 Well that clears that up. Thank you for your help! Now to find a replacement medal...
peter monahan Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 I just saw this post, but Nightbreak has answered the question: the medal entitlement is in the individual service records but no consolidated file is yet available on line. Given the staff cuts at LAC, you were lucky to get his service record so promptly too. Most of the medals seem to have been sent out in 1921-22, based on a sampling of 3-400 records I dealt with a couple of years ago.
TheMadBaron Posted April 25, 2019 Author Posted April 25, 2019 On 24/04/2019 at 08:12, peter monahan said: I just saw this post, but Nightbreak has answered the question: the medal entitlement is in the individual service records but no consolidated file is yet available on line. Given the staff cuts at LAC, you were lucky to get his service record so promptly too. Most of the medals seem to have been sent out in 1921-22, based on a sampling of 3-400 records I dealt with a couple of years ago. Indeed, the reverse of the card says that it was issued in March 1922. I picked up a replacement medal from eMedals with the original recipient's name ground out.
peter monahan Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 'Name erased' medals are out there, though not as common for the first war as for earlier periods, I would have thought. I have picked up a few loose singles as place holders for groups myself. Back when I had the $ to collect, I had a group of 6 to an Indian Viceroy's Commissioned Officer [senior warrant officer] collected in Indai for the silver, so that the two non-silver gongs had been tossed away.
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