Graf Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 Her is a small collection from 1st Empire - 2nd Type Full size with fixed crown model -2nd Type 1/2 Size with mobile crown -3rd Type full size Note it is framed as part of a navy officer grouping from 1st Empire and Monarchy Period -4th Type1/2 Size with typical for this type balls at the and of the arms I am still chasing the First Type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted September 4, 2022 Author Share Posted September 4, 2022 -3rd Type full size modified to Monarchy period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 4th Type 1/2 size modified to Monarchy period Officer in Gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted May 19, 2023 Author Share Posted May 19, 2023 (edited) latest addition 1/2 size an Officer in gold -4th type There are two partial, difficult to read, marks on the ribbon ring Edited May 20, 2023 by Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybo Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Hello, What say the experts as to the authenticity of this piece. The centers and crown look like 1st Empire but I haven't seen a period piece with a ribbon bow at the base like this one. I am told there is a diamond maker's mark on the back of that bow. Your insight would be greatly appreciated. If Bison is out there, I have sent him a similar inquiry. Thank you! Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted October 27, 2023 Author Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jaybo said: Hello, What say the experts as to the authenticity of this piece. The centers and crown look like 1st Empire but I haven't seen a period piece with a ribbon bow at the base like this one. I am told there is a diamond maker's mark on the back of that bow. Your insight would be greatly appreciated. If Bison is out there, I have sent him a similar inquiry. Thank you! Jay For me it is Presidency period As General rule all First Empire LOH do not have "ribbon bow" on the bottom of the cross. Also the Crown is typical Presidency Period 1848-1852 Also the central medallions of all First Empire LOH (except the miniatures ans some 1/2 size Orders) are three parts design Commander Presidency Period The central medallions are similar as the one you listed Edited October 27, 2023 by Graf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybo Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Thank you so much. I thought that could be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Jaybo said: Thank you so much. I thought that could be the case. Welcome I hope it helped The diamond shape maker marks might have the initials of the maker If you have the cross you can look with magnification if the seller has it you can ask him to look for letters within the mark In my experience the First Empire LOH are rare maker marked Mainly the hallmark is present on the ribbon ring as the one I listed above All knight crosses from this period are Silver and anything from Officer and up are -18 Carat Gold While on the topic - there are LOH, which some classify as "100" days model They are hybrids between the 1st Empire and Monarchy Periods crosses The 1/2 size LOH on the middle of the pictures bellow. Some of those crosses have 1st Empire central medallions. In my opinion it was very turbulent period and parts were quickly replaced and reversed depending of who was the Ruler for the moment Any way I do not believe that your LOH is from this Period I hope more members will reply with their knowledge and opinion Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybo Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 11 hours ago, Graf said: Welcome I hope it helped The diamond shape maker marks might have the initials of the maker If you have the cross you can look with magnification if the seller has it you can ask him to look for letters within the mark In my experience the First Empire LOH are rare maker marked Mainly the hallmark is present on the ribbon ring as the one I listed above All knight crosses from this period are Silver and anything from Officer and up are -18 Carat Gold While on the topic - there are LOH, which some classify as "100" days model They are hybrids between the 1st Empire and Monarchy Periods crosses The 1/2 size LOH on the middle of the pictures bellow. Some of those crosses have 1st Empire central medallions. In my opinion it was very turbulent period and parts were quickly replaced and reversed depending of who was the Ruler for the moment Any way I do not believe that your LOH is from this Period I hope more members will reply with their knowledge and opinion Regards 11 hours ago, Graf said: Welcome I hope it helped The diamond shape maker marks might have the initials of the maker If you have the cross you can look with magnification if the seller has it you can ask him to look for letters within the mark In my experience the First Empire LOH are rare maker marked Mainly the hallmark is present on the ribbon ring as the one I listed above All knight crosses from this period are Silver and anything from Officer and up are -18 Carat Gold While on the topic - there are LOH, which some classify as "100" days model They are hybrids between the 1st Empire and Monarchy Periods crosses The 1/2 size LOH on the middle of the pictures bellow. Some of those crosses have 1st Empire central medallions. In my opinion it was very turbulent period and parts were quickly replaced and reversed depending of who was the Ruler for the moment Any way I do not believe that your LOH is from this Period I hope more members will reply with their knowledge and opinion Regards Thank you so much. Am I correct that all 1st Empire LOHs had ribbon bows at the bottom of the cross whose ends splayed out and did not go straight down like the example that I posted? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share Posted October 28, 2023 8 hours ago, Jaybo said: Thank you so much. Am I correct that all 1st Empire LOHs had ribbon bows at the bottom of the cross whose ends splayed out and did not go straight down like the example that I posted? Correct Also the crowns are important Because the Presidency period Crown could be confused with 4th Type LOH from the First Empire period as the cross you listed The central medallion could be deceiving since many crosses had their medallions replaced at some stage due to the new Ruler or due to lost of the original ones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybo Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 14 hours ago, Graf said: Correct Also the crowns are important Because the Presidency period Crown could be confused with 4th Type LOH from the First Empire period as the cross you listed The central medallion could be deceiving since many crosses had their medallions replaced at some stage due to the new Ruler or due to lost of the original ones Thank you Graf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted October 29, 2023 Author Share Posted October 29, 2023 Welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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