Navy Cap.

[Farkas]

Hello Gents,

can anyone give me any information on this navy cap please?

It was labelled ‘Japanese navy’ but I’m assuming it’s not…

 

 

 

 

 

Any thoughts or comments welcome 👍

 

cheers🍻

tony

 

[Graf]

Hi Tony you are correct It is not Japanese hat

It is from Soviet Union period  in Leningrad now St Petersburg It is are of famous market

I am not sure whether is original or navy novelty  cap Korpus 8 on the cap could be the number of the shop

here is a picture of the Market

 with  Korpus 10 on top of the shop

[Graf]

You can see Korpus 8 on top of the map

Apraksin Yard (also Apraxin Dvor; Russian: Апраксин Двор) is a market and retail block in Saint Petersburg, Russia, covering 14 hectares (35 acres). It is currently under a massive long-term renovation project. The buildings of Apraksin Dvor stand between Sadovaya Street and the Fontanka River, just southwest of the Alexandrinsky Theatre.

The first market there began in the mid-18th century, deriving its name from Count Apraksin who owned the plot. After a merchant named Shchukin purchased a portion of it, that part became known as Shchukin Dvor. The market buildings were wooden and burnt to the ground in 1782.

A new department store, built to a design by Geronimo Corsini, was opened in the vicinity in 1863. Over the next decade, more than 45 shops were constructed in the area. In 1913, Apraksin Dvor contained more than 500 shops. A further 270 small wholesale enterprises were located in the grounds of Shchukin Dvor.

After the Russian Revolution of 1917, most buildings of Apraksin Dvor were given over to use as depots and warehouses.

By the beginning of the 21st century, Apraksin Dvor was a large city of block of small, downmarket shops facing the street with an open-air market – mostly clothing and accessories – on the inside: an enormous downmarket retail area in the middle of the ever more upscale city center. A long-term renovation plan was instituted; the market stalls were removed in 2008–09 to the Grazhdansky Rynok market (see article on Russian Wikipedia) on the periphery of the city. There are plans to turn the area into a modern, pleasant retail, office, residential, hotel and cu

[Graf]

On 07/06/2023 at 14:00, Farkas said:

Hello Gents,

can anyone give me any information on this navy cap please?

It was labelled ‘Japanese navy’ but I’m assuming it’s not…

 

 

 

 

 

Any thoughts or comments welcome 👍

 

cheers🍻

tony

 

Hi Tony I found interesting information for you

 

Cheers

 

Graf

On 20/07/2023 at 22:28, Graf said:

Hi Tony you are correct It is not Japanese hat

It is from Soviet Union period  in Leningrad now St Petersburg It is are of famous market

I am not sure whether is original or navy novelty  cap Korpus 8 on the cap could be the number of the shop

here is a picture of the Market

 with  Korpus 10 on top of the shop

 

On 20/07/2023 at 22:50, Graf said:

You can see Korpus 8 on top of the map

Apraksin Yard (also Apraxin Dvor; Russian: Апраксин Двор) is a market and retail block in Saint Petersburg, Russia, covering 14 hectares (35 acres). It is currently under a massive long-term renovation project. The buildings of Apraksin Dvor stand between Sadovaya Street and the Fontanka River, just southwest of the Alexandrinsky Theatre.

The first market there began in the mid-18th century, deriving its name from Count Apraksin who owned the plot. After a merchant named Shchukin purchased a portion of it, that part became known as Shchukin Dvor. The market buildings were wooden and burnt to the ground in 1782.

A new department store, built to a design by Geronimo Corsini, was opened in the vicinity in 1863. Over the next decade, more than 45 shops were constructed in the area. In 1913, Apraksin Dvor contained more than 500 shops. A further 270 small wholesale enterprises were located in the grounds of Shchukin Dvor.

After the Russian Revolution of 1917, most buildings of Apraksin Dvor were given over to use as depots and warehouses.

By the beginning of the 21st century, Apraksin Dvor was a large city of block of small, downmarket shops facing the street with an open-air market – mostly clothing and accessories – on the inside: an enormous downmarket retail area in the middle of the ever more upscale city center. A long-term renovation plan was instituted; the market stalls were removed in 2008–09 to the Grazhdansky Rynok market (see article on Russian Wikipedia) on the periphery of the city. There are plans to turn the area into a modern, pleasant retail, office, residential, hotel and cu

 

I hope this will help

 

Cheers

[Graf]

On 07/06/2023 at 14:00, Farkas said:

Hello Gents,

can anyone give me any information on this navy cap please?

It was labelled ‘Japanese navy’ but I’m assuming it’s not…

 

 

 

 

 

Any thoughts or comments welcome 👍

 

cheers🍻

tony

 

Hi Tony did you see the information I found fro you

[Farkas]

11 minutes ago, Graf said:

Hi Tony did you see the information I found fro you

I nearly missed your reply somehow, thanks for the nudge Graf.

 

Many thanks for the translations & great background 👍👍 

 

The cap did strike me as having wear through use not age. It’s been worn more than I would expect from perhaps child’s play, however it’s old enough and has travelled enough for the possibility.

👍

 

I’ll have another look at it and see if I missed anything. For example, pretty sure I haven’t checked the buttons properly yet.

cheers

tony

 

 

 

[Farkas]

On 24/07/2023 at 06:00, Graf said:

Hi Tony I found interesting information for you

 

Cheers

 

Graf

 

 

I hope this will help

 

Cheers

It has!

Because after your reply I’ve just had another look at the cap, I’m surprised I didn’t check previously because it turns out there is writing on the inside of the sweatband.

 

First the word ABPAMEHKO which after a Google search seems to be a name, then B448.

 

 

 

 

I Googled ‘B448 soviet navy’

 

From website vk com

B-448 "Tambov" 
The ship entered the lists of ships on February 20, 1989 under the name K-448. It was laid on January 31, 1991 at the Admiralty Plant in Leningrad, launched on October 17, 1991. In 1992, she was reclassified as a large nuclear submarine and renamed B-448. 
 

 

There is a Soviet/Russian submarine

B-448 (now ‘Tambov’)

with its origins in Leningrad. 

as has the hat 👇

On 20/07/2023 at 13:28, Graf said:

Hi Tony you are correct It is not Japanese hat

It is from Soviet Union period  in Leningrad now St Petersburg It is are of famous market

I am not sure whether is original or navy novelty  cap Korpus 8 on the cap could be the number of the shop

here is a picture of the Market

 with  Korpus 10 on top of the shop

tony 🍻

[Graf]

1 hour ago, Farkas said:

It has!

Because after your reply I’ve just had another look at the cap, I’m surprised I didn’t check previously because it turns out there is writing on the inside of the sweatband.

 

First the word ABPAMEHKO which after a Google search seems to be a name, then B448.

 

 

 

 

I Googled ‘B448 soviet navy’

 

From website vk com

B-448 "Tambov" 
The ship entered the lists of ships on February 20, 1989 under the name K-448. It was laid on January 31, 1991 at the Admiralty Plant in Leningrad, launched on October 17, 1991. In 1992, she was reclassified as a large nuclear submarine and renamed B-448. 
 

 

There is a Soviet/Russian submarine

B-448 (now ‘Tambov’)

with its origins in Leningrad. 

as has the hat 👇

tony 🍻

Hi Tony excellent work

[Farkas]

47 minutes ago, Graf said:

Hi Tony excellent work

I wouldn’t have gone back for another look if you hadn’t replied and made sure I didn’t miss it… so thank you Graf 👍

Its gone from

‘just a hat’

to ‘nice hat’ with owners name and the submarine he served on identified…

 

tony 😁

[Graf]

2 hours ago, Farkas said:

I wouldn’t have gone back for another look if you hadn’t replied and made sure I didn’t miss it… so thank you Graf 👍

Its gone from

‘just a hat’

to ‘nice hat’ with owners name and the submarine he served on identified…

 

tony 😁

Welcome

[danijla]

On 26/07/2023 at 03:40, Farkas said:

I wouldn’t have gone back for another look if you hadn’t replied and made sure I didn’t miss it… so thank you Graf 👍

Its gone from

‘just a hat’

to ‘nice hat’ with owners name and the submarine he served on identified…

 

tony 😁

Hi Tony.

 

this is a cap for the Soviet merchant marine fleet, specifically middle command staff used between 1980-1991.

 

It is NOT a Soviet navy piece, but a civilian organisation piece.

 

Dan

[Farkas]

2 hours ago, danijla said:

Hi Tony.

 

this is a cap for the Soviet merchant marine fleet, specifically middle command staff used between 1980-1991.

 

It is NOT a Soviet navy piece, but a civilian organisation piece.

 

Dan

Thanks Danijla,

always good to know what’s what…

 

In the UK we have a Royal Fleet Auxillary that supports the RN.

Would the Soviet merchant marine fleet have supported the Soviet navy in any regular capacity?

The cap only cost £8 & made no mention of the name or B448 written on it, it wasn’t used to boost the price. So could that still be relevant in your opinion?

 

Thanks for your help 👍

 

tony 🍻

[danijla]

13 minutes ago, Farkas said:

Thanks Danijla,

always good to know what’s what…

 

In the UK we have a Royal Fleet Auxillary that supports the RN.

Would the Soviet merchant marine fleet have supported the Soviet navy in any regular capacity?

The cap only cost £8 & made no mention of the name or B448 written on it, it wasn’t used to boost the price. So could that still be relevant in your opinion?

 

Thanks for your help 👍

 

tony 🍻

Hey Tony!

 

Yes, in some capacity the Morflot would have helped the Navy, however as far as I’m aware this was a relatively rare occurrence. 
 

£8 is good for this sort of cap with such embroidery. I only ever see them locally for about £20 and higher.

 

Congrats on the new piece!

 

Dan

[Farkas]

5 minutes ago, danijla said:

Hey Tony!

 

Yes, in some capacity the Morflot would have helped the Navy, however as far as I’m aware this was a relatively rare occurrence. 
 

£8 is good for this sort of cap with such embroidery. I only ever see them locally for about £20 and higher.

 

Congrats on the new piece!

 

Dan

Thanks Dan,

I didn’t know what it was but it looked great! I think the fact they wrongly listed it as a Japanese navy cap meant it slipped under the radar of its true market… luckily for me!

cheers

tony

[Graf]

2 hours ago, Farkas said:

Thanks Dan,

I didn’t know what it was but it looked great! I think the fact they wrongly listed it as a Japanese navy cap meant it slipped under the radar of its true market… luckily for me!

cheers

tony

Yes You are lucky Congrats