Wien address assistance help please.

[Farkas]

Hi Gents,

is anyone able to explain to me how this Vienna address from post ww1 worked please?

 

I can’t understand the meaning of the address style ifor Strudlhofgasse, Wien 9.

 

There is Wien 9, which I understand is the District. Then Strudlhofgasse, which I understand is the street/road, I found that on a map but I don’t understand if it is

one large building,

separate commercial premises and houses

or

blocks of flats/apartment buildings? 
 

Is it the same now as it was in the 1930’s?
 

I have an a first address 
Strudlhofgasse 14/11

Is that for 

building 14 /apartment 11

 

And I have another

Strudlhofgasse 14/14

is that in the same building?

 

Any information at all about the place would be greatly appreciated Gents…

 

thanks

tony 🍻

 

 

[Christian1962]

Hi Tony!

 

You are right, Strudlhofgasse 14/11 and 14/14 should be in the same building.

 

Adresses in Vienna can be specified differently:

 

1. In smaller buildings (with just few apartements per floor) they are often displayed like this: Strudlhofgasse 14/1 (=first floor), 14/2 (= second floor), ...

 

2. in bigger buildings (with more apartements per floor) they will be displayed like this: Strudlhofgasse 14/1/1 (=first floor, apartement no. 1), Strudlhofgasse 14/2/1 (=second floor, apartement no. 1), ...

 

3. In real large buildings (with more than one staircases) you can find 4 digits: Strudlhofgasse 14/1/1/1 (=staircase 1, first floor, apartement no. 1), Strudlhofgasse 14/2/3/2 (=staircase 2, third floor, apartement no. 2)....

 

4. Strudlhofgasse 14/11 and 14/14 f.e. would give a hint to a smaller building with few apartements which were simply numbered. We can assume it was no skyscraper at all with 14 or more floors.

 

This should help postmen and visitors to find their clients.

 

As always Vieanna is different. In many elder buildings exists a "Souterrain" (a floor between basement and ground floor), then a "Mezzanin" (I could find "mezzanine" in google translate) between groundfloor ("Erdgeschoss") and first floor ("1. Stock"). Buildings can consist of:

Souterrain

Erdgeschoss

Mezzanin

Erster Stock

Zweiter Stock

.....

 

Regards

 

Christian

[Farkas]

On 21/03/2024 at 05:47, Christian1962 said:

Hi Tony!

 

You are right, Strudlhofgasse 14/11 and 14/14 should be in the same building.

 

Adresses in Vienna can be specified differently:

 

1. In smaller buildings (with just few apartements per floor) they are often displayed like this: Strudlhofgasse 14/1 (=first floor), 14/2 (= second floor), ...

 

2. in bigger buildings (with more apartements per floor) they will be displayed like this: Strudlhofgasse 14/1/1 (=first floor, apartement no. 1), Strudlhofgasse 14/2/1 (=second floor, apartement no. 1), ...

 

3. In real large buildings (with more than one staircases) you can find 4 digits: Strudlhofgasse 14/1/1/1 (=staircase 1, first floor, apartement no. 1), Strudlhofgasse 14/2/3/2 (=staircase 2, third floor, apartement no. 2)....

 

4. Strudlhofgasse 14/11 and 14/14 f.e. would give a hint to a smaller building with few apartements which were simply numbered. We can assume it was no skyscraper at all with 14 or more floors.

 

This should help postmen and visitors to find their clients.

 

As always Vieanna is different. In many elder buildings exists a "Souterrain" (a floor between basement and ground floor), then a "Mezzanin" (I could find "mezzanine" in google translate) between groundfloor ("Erdgeschoss") and first floor ("1. Stock"). Buildings can consist of:

Souterrain

Erdgeschoss

Mezzanin

Erster Stock

Zweiter Stock

.....

 

Regards

 

Christian

Hi Christian,

 once again I must thank you so much for your help. I must admit this one was a personal matter I needed help with.,.

My Grandfather Georg Farkas

 

 

He escaped Vienna in late 1938 with his wife and children including my Father.

As you can see their address then was 

Strudlhofgasse 14/14.

 

Neither Georg nor my Father ever knew the fate of older family left behind.

 

Just a couple of years ago I found records showing both Georg’s parents had been deported to Lodz ghetto, Poland in 1941.

Georg’s Father Ignaz was killed there, his Step-Mother Edith was moved on from there in 1942.  Her records showing a classification -AUSG.

 

 

That had been the limit of my knowledge until a few nights ago. Unfortunately, first, any slim hope that Edith had survived the war ended with the explanation of the AUSG notation on the Lodz records.

AUSG means Edith was ‘deported’ to Chelmno death camp so no chance she survived.  At the time they were still using ‘Gas trucks’ to murder prisoners.

 

But I also found this file for Ignaz.

As you can see their Vienna address prior to deportation was -

Strudlhofgasse 14/11

 

 

I was unsure if there was a mixup or not, unsure if the addresses were one and the same, correct or not.

 

So, that was the reason for my question, and Christian, the reason I truly appreciate your detailed and helpful answer.

 

Another long lost piece of the Family ‘jigsaw’ is now in place… 

 

cheers

tony 🍻

 

 

[Christian1962]

Tony, you are welcomed.

A real sad familiy history...

 

Regards

Christian