Komtur Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Collecting decorations of physicians, I was stumbling over this attractive decoration Order of the Legion of Honour in Gold, Commander Cross, c. 1865. But I wonder, if the person Louis Defrainge mentioned on the top of the case lived between 1876 and 1946, how could he have been awarded a commander of the 2nd empire? How could this ensemble be explained? Experts of this order, please enlighten me! Thanks in advande, Komtur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 On 10/05/2024 at 05:06, Komtur said: Collecting decorations of physicians, I was stumbling over this attractive decoration Order of the Legion of Honour in Gold, Commander Cross, c. 1865. But I wonder, if the person Louis Defrainge mentioned on the top of the case lived between 1876 and 1946, how could he have been awarded a commander of the 2nd empire? How could this ensemble be explained? Experts of this order, please enlighten me! Thanks in advande, Komtur. It not the first time this Dealer makes a very unusual claims It is impossible someone to be awarded before even he is born Also the box is not from Second Empire It is very bad mix and match job The Commander is nice, however it did not belong to that person neither to that box Also the maker on the box , in my opinion was not one from the Second Empire period I assume that Louis Defrainge was awarded the Commander Cross of the LOH, but this could be the Third Republic Period, since he was very active in the beginning of last Century 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 Thanks a lot! In between I could find his award dates in this online source. He got the commander of the Legion of Honour on 12th of June in 1931. As written on it, the box (and something in there) was given to Dr. Defraigne from SES ELEVES, SES AMIS. So if it was a commander cross of the Legion of Honour fitting in there, it is unlikely his officially awarded decoration. Perhaps and nowadays of unknown reasons HIS FOLLOWERS and HIS FRIENDS presented him in 1931 a restored 2nd Empire decoration as a gift? Unfortunately it will be quite impossible, to find out something about such a eventuality. Regards, Komtur. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 (edited) 11 hours ago, Komtur said: Thanks a lot! In between I could find his award dates in this online source. He got the commander of the Legion of Honour on 12th of June in 1931. As written on it, the box (and something in there) was given to Dr. Defraigne from SES ELEVES, SES AMIS. So if it was a commander cross of the Legion of Honour fitting in there, it is unlikely his officially awarded decoration. Perhaps and nowadays of unknown reasons HIS FOLLOWERS and HIS FRIENDS presented him in 1931 a restored 2nd Empire decoration as a gift? Unfortunately it will be quite impossible, to find out something about such a eventuality. Regards, Komtur. Nice research !00% tthe Second Empire Cross was not given as a gift That was not the practice and it was against the rules It was a common practice a luxury Cross in Gold or with Diamonds to be given as a gift from people that wanted to show respect to the awarded person During this period most of the officially awarded the Commander Crosses were Silver gilded ones (vermail) Very unlikely that Edited May 25 by Graf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 Many thanks for the addition of these fine luxury examples.I am with you, it is very more likely, that something like that or a decoration in gold was initially in the box for Dr. Defraigne. Is it possible to estimate the date of production of the probably wrong matched commander cross in Dr. Defraignes box? Regards, Komtur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Exact date will be impossible to specify, however the period will be 1852 1869 -Second Empire It was wrong by the Dealer to speculate - c.1865, although it is within the right Period as above The maker mark on the ribbon ring is Ouizille Lemoine - the main French Maker of Second Empire LOH There is a French whole mark on the bottom of the cross -"eagle head" for gold -mainly 18 carat Both marks are correct for that period 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komtur Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 Thanks for that extensive answer. That helps a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted Tuesday at 10:07 Share Posted Tuesday at 10:07 On 26/05/2024 at 03:37, Komtur said: Thanks for that extensive answer. That helps a lot! Welcome Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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