GD Baden - Order of the Zähringer Lion 1. with Swords - D (Doublé) proof mark.

[Alan]

Hi Guys,

 

When I saw lot 211 in J Kube's auction 146 catalogue, an OZL 1st class with swords, I sent an email to Mr Kube asking whether there was a "D" stamp on the cylinder along with a sample picture taken from the 1st Class OZL in my collection.

 

The reply back was "Dear Sir: lot 211 has a stamp „D“ on the cylinder"

 

With this I thought great and went ahead and submitted my bids and was very pleased when I was successful.

 

Today I received the lots that I had had won and I have a few questions (The Kube OZL is in the middle of the 3 pictured for comparison).

 

When I compared the Doublé marks I was concerned to see that the one from Auction 146 was not similar to all the other marks I had seen previously mainly on Oakleaves.

 

Has any one seen a mark like this? Does the colour of the guiding look correct? Even with possible tarnishing I think it looks off.

 

Before reaching out to Mr Kube I would like to just get more of an understanding as to what this is.

 

Is it a freshly Gilted 2nd class with mark added to try to legitimize a Frankenstein

Or a real Silver Gilt 1st class that has a D mark from a different manufacturer

 

All opinions welcome

 

Guys

 

 

[archie777]

Hi Alan,

 

Beautiful Orders

 

Thanks for sharing

 

Regards

Archie

[VtwinVince]

I don't have a lot of experience with these, having owned only a few, including one first class with oakleaves, which were of the solid variety (marked for gold content). Your piece looks good to me.

[Alan]

8 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

I don't have a lot of experience with these, having owned only a few, including one first class with oakleaves, which were of the solid variety (marked for gold content). Your piece looks good to me.

 

I have to agree with you Vince a good piece… the question is though whether it is a 2nd Class messed with to be a 1st Class with a spurious D gilt mark or a nice original 1st Class with a D gilt mark that is legit, that is the question.

 

I think possibly the former as I have never seen a D mark that wasn‘t raised and framed.

 

Has anyone seen this type of imprint D gilt marking on an OZL before?

Edited June 25 by Alan

[VtwinVince]

OK, got it. If it is messed with, it's an extremely slick piece of work.