Christian L Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 i'd like to put this decoration up for discussion - is it a 25 years cross or a 40 years cross?it is definately gilded.thanks much for the help in advance christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanCz Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 (edited) From the illustrations - - it appears golden in colour and is therefore for 40 years loyal service.The ribbon suspension ring is incorrect tho - - possibley a later replacement/repair Edited June 30, 2006 by DanCz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 (edited) From the illustrations - - it appears golden in colour and is therefore for 40 years loyal service.The ribbon suspension ring is incorrect tho - - possibley a later replacement/repairHallo Chris with regards this item it appears more silver than gold on my monitor for some reason and I took it for a 25 year Service cross. I have a silver one and a gold one in my collection and I will post pictures of both side by side for comparason.Kevin in Deva, Edited June 30, 2006 by Kev in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Hallo Chris with regards this item it appears more silver than gold on my monitor for some reason and I took it for a 25 year Service cross. I have a silver one and a gold one in my collection and I will post pictures of both side by side for comparason.Kevin in Deva, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 (edited) Close up of rears the 40 year Cross (Gold) is by Deschler & Sohn M?nchen and the 25 Year Cross (Silver) by R. Souval of Wien.Kevin in Deva. Edited June 30, 2006 by Kev in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 (edited) Close up of Front the 40 year Cross (Gold) is by Deschler & Sohn M?nchen and the 25 Year Cross (Silver) by R. Souval of Wien.Kevin in Deva. The question is Christian, was a silver wash / finish applied to a bronze cross to create a silver?orA Gold wash / finish to a silver Cross to create a gold Cross?Have any members out there got a very worn cross for comparisson??mfg, Kevin in Deva. Edited June 30, 2006 by Kev in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 From the color of the scan--which may not be true to life--and the fact that the suspension ring has been snipped, I'd say some dummy clipped off a 25 and rubbed some sort of gold finish onto a silver cross.I have NEVER seen one of these that there was any doubt about immediate color identification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 I have to agree with Rick. There's no doubt on these. The subtle gilding of Imperial germany was a lost art form ca 1939-45. The bright fire-gilding in all it's glory and sharpness was not. I think (Kev) you have two silver crosses there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 I have to agree with Rick. There's no doubt on these. The subtle gilding of Imperial germany was a lost art form ca 1939-45. The bright fire-gilding in all it's glory and sharpness was not. I think (Kev) you have two silver crosses there.Hallo Stogie & Rick hopefully I understand your posts right , the cross with the clipped ring is not mine it belongs to Christian L I originaly commented on the fact that it looked more like a silver to me than gold.My III Reich True service crosses are the Gold and Silver side by side were posted for comparison. Kevin in Deva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avitas Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Hi there,Here is my very worn 40 year service medal, with only guilding left on the edges and some minimal finish left on the cross itself. Someone had put a "50" on the front to make it look like a 50 year, but I am pretty sure it is only a 40-year medal. Here are the pics.Thanks,Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avitas Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 and the other side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avitas Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I could be wrong, but it might be a 50 year cross instead of the worn 40 as I do have the "50" that used to be attached to it as well (came with it), and you can see the area where it was attached. The guilding is still there on the oak leaves and it seems like maybe there wasn;t any guilding on the actual cross, making it a 50. Any ideas on it?Thanks,Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanCz Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I think the on reverse of the 50 Year Cross - - - the word "Arbiet" replace the word "Dienste" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I think the on reverse of the 50 Year Cross - - - the word "Arbiet" replace the word "Dienste"Hallo DanCz Your comment is confirmed by whats written on page 141 of Christopher Ailsby's WW2 German Medals and political awards." This award takes the form of the crosses described in the Faithful Service Decorations for 25 and 40 years service, with the exception that the field of the upper arm of the cross has a raised Arabic "50" superimposed upon it. The body of the cross is silver plated while the wreath and the 50 are gilded.The reverse is again identical to that described in the faithful service decorations for 25 and 40 years service, with the exception that the inscription has been changed to "F?r, Treue, Arbeit" (Loyal Work)The wreath on the reverse has also been gilded."I also attach a picture scanned from:Mr. Nimmerguts O&E 1800- 1945, 2005/6 edition.Kevin in Deva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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