Kev in Deva Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 Two Austro-Hungarian Period Medals.While they look very similar the variation is in the text on the front of the medals:-FRANC . IOS . I . D. G. IMP. AVST. REX BOH. ETC. ET REX AP. HVNC.Kevin in Deva.
Kev in Deva Posted January 8, 2009 Author Posted January 8, 2009 Number 2:-FRANC. IOS. I. D. G. IMP. AVSTR. REX BOH. ETC AC. AP. REX. HVNC.Kevin in Deva.
Ulsterman Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 Why the differences? Civil/military? Austrian/Hungarian?
Kev in Deva Posted January 8, 2009 Author Posted January 8, 2009 Why the differences? Civil/military? Austrian/Hungarian?I believe it is more to do with manufacture, than the above.Kevin in Deva :beer:
Ladis Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) Hi Gentlemen, Medal with inscription FRANC. IOS. I.D.G.IMP. AVSTR. REX BOH. ETC. AC. AP. REX. HVNG and red ribbon is military version. It was awarded in two grades ? I. class which was made from gold and was dwarfed by A-H eagle and II. class which was made from bronze without eagle (your medal). Gold medal received all persons with 50 active service years in army (till 2. December 1898). Bronze medal received all person (military or police) who was in active service during reign of emperor FJI. Medal with inscription FRANC. IOS. I.D.G. IMP. AVST. REX. BOH. ETC. ET. REX. AP. HVNG is civil version for public servants who was active in 1898. It was awarded in one bronze grade on red/white ribbon (half/half).About 5 000 000 of bronze medals was awarded.Ladis Edited January 9, 2009 by Ladis
Kev in Deva Posted January 9, 2009 Author Posted January 9, 2009 Hi Gentlemen, Medal with inscription FRANC. IOS. I.D.G.IMP. AVSTR. REX BOH. ETC. AC. AP. REX. HVNG and red ribbon is military version. It was awarded in two grades ? I. class which was made from gold and was dwarfed by A-H eagle and II. class which was made from bronze without eagle (your medal). Gold medal received all persons with 50 active service years in army (till 2. December 1898). Bronze medal received all person (military or police) who was in active service during reign of emperor FJI. Medal with inscription FRANC. IOS. I.D.G. IMP. AVST. REX. BOH. ETC. ET. REX. AP. HVNG is civil version for public servants who was active in 1898. It was awarded in one bronze grade on red/white ribbon (half/half).About 5 000 000 of bronze medals was awarded.LadisHallo Ladis thanks for your reply, can you post any source for your information with regards this topic,as it's an argument I have come across before, Civil - Military v. Manufacture.Also do you have any pictures of the Gold version you mention?Thank you, Kevin in Deva.
Ladis Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 Hallo,One of my source is book Rady a vyznamenani Habsburske monarchie (Orders and decorations of Habsburg monarchy) written by Ivan Kolacny (ISBN 80-902745-9-5). I have only bronze medals in my collection, but I can post picture of gold medal from this book at evening.Ladis
Iver Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) here is the photo (not very good, but nothing better now)...source of photo: http://ah.milua.org Edited January 9, 2009 by Iver
Kev in Deva Posted January 9, 2009 Author Posted January 9, 2009 Hallo Iver, many thanks for the addition to the thread and the picture is great for reference.Is it known how many of this type were issued??Kevin in Deva. :beer:
Kev in Deva Posted January 14, 2009 Author Posted January 14, 2009 HelloThis russian page talk about a special serie of this medal only for members of the Imperial and Hungarian Court:http://ah.milua.org/awords/medall/1898.htmIn three classes: Gold, Silver and bronze, with different ribbon shapes as this for civilian personal of the court:Hallo Boris does it happen to show, or do you have a picture for the back of the medal?Kevin in Deva.
Elmar Lang Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 (edited) Hello,just to add some more reference sources about the differences between the military and civil 1898 Jubilee Medals, these are also indicated in the following works:H. v. Heyden: "Ehren-Zeichen der erloschenen und bl?henden Staaten Deutschlands und Oesterreich-Ungarns - II. Nachtrag 1898-1906"; Frankfurt a.M., 1906W.H.edl. v. Hessenthal - G. Schreiber: "Die tragbaren Ehrenzeichen des Deutschen Reiches"; Berlin, 1940Vaclav Měřička: "Orden und Ehrenzeichen der Oesterreichisch Ungarischen Monarchie"; Vienna, Schroll, 1974;Jos. v. Falkenstien (Dan Ragsdale): "Imperial Austrian Medals and Decorations"; Tucson, 1972R. frhr. v. Proch?zka: "Oesterreichisches Ordenshandbuch - Gro?e Ausgabe", vol. 2; Munich, 1979J. Stolzer - Chr. Steeb (et alia): "Oesterreichs Orden"; Graz, ADEVA, 1996.All the mentioned books can be considered as a "basis" to the study of Austrian Phaleristic.Best wishes,Elmar Lang Edited January 17, 2009 by Elmar Lang
Ulsterman Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 I have only ever seen #4 and #5.By "uniformed services" do you mean military (army, navy ), as well as the gendarmarie?
Kev in Deva Posted January 22, 2009 Author Posted January 22, 2009 Hallo Boris, many thanks for your replies, looks very interesting visually Was the widows version actually issued and what criteria for issue and are the numbers known?Kevin in Deva :beer:
Elmar Lang Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Hello,I've searched through my reference books (including the Michetschl?ger) and haven't found any evidence of that special medal "for widows".Do you have any source that indicates its institution?Best wishes,Enzo
Elmar Lang Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) Hello Boris,the strange ribbon has been wrongly attributed to the medal. Actually, the ribbon looks well post-1918 and with colours resembling those of the Order of the German Eagle."AC" is another latin form of the conjunction "ET", similarly with "ATQUE" where "atque" can mean "and also...".The other medal, with the cyrillic text is the jubilee medal for the members of the Russian Kexholm Guards Regiment, one of the regiments where Franz Josef was "Oberst-Inhaber".Best wishes,EnzoP.S.: ok, some books, when out-of-print can be difficult to obtain, but "Oesterreichs Orden" can be directly ordered at the OeGO, www.ordenskunde.at Edited January 23, 2009 by Elmar Lang
Kev in Deva Posted January 23, 2009 Author Posted January 23, 2009 Hello Kevin in Deva, if you have some information about this particular I would be very glad to receive it because I have not idea. I have put the "visual", you can help me if you want.RegardsHallo Boris, I must say I have never come across any information on a "widows award at all"The ribbon shown reminds me of the "Ansclu?medaillen f?r ?sterreich, zur Erinnerung an den 13 Marz 1938."Kevin in Deva :cheers:
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