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Two Austro-Hungarian Period Medals.

While they look very similar the variation is in the text on the front of the medals:-

FRANC . IOS . I . D. G. IMP. AVST. REX BOH. ETC. ET REX AP. HVNC.

Kevin in Deva. :beer:

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Why the differences? Civil/military? Austrian/Hungarian?

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Why the differences? Civil/military? Austrian/Hungarian?

I believe it is more to do with manufacture, than the above.

Kevin in Deva :beer:

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Hi Gentlemen,

Medal with inscription FRANC. IOS. I.D.G.IMP. AVSTR. REX BOH. ETC. AC. AP. REX. HVNG and red ribbon is military version. It was awarded in two grades ? I. class which was made from gold and was dwarfed by A-H eagle and II. class which was made from bronze without eagle (your medal). Gold medal received all persons with 50 active service years in army (till 2. December 1898). Bronze medal received all person (military or police) who was in active service during reign of emperor FJI.

Medal with inscription FRANC. IOS. I.D.G. IMP. AVST. REX. BOH. ETC. ET. REX. AP. HVNG is civil version for public servants who was active in 1898. It was awarded in one bronze grade on red/white ribbon (half/half).

About 5 000 000 of bronze medals was awarded.

Ladis

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Hi Gentlemen,

Medal with inscription FRANC. IOS. I.D.G.IMP. AVSTR. REX BOH. ETC. AC. AP. REX. HVNG and red ribbon is military version. It was awarded in two grades ? I. class which was made from gold and was dwarfed by A-H eagle and II. class which was made from bronze without eagle (your medal). Gold medal received all persons with 50 active service years in army (till 2. December 1898). Bronze medal received all person (military or police) who was in active service during reign of emperor FJI.

Medal with inscription FRANC. IOS. I.D.G. IMP. AVST. REX. BOH. ETC. ET. REX. AP. HVNG is civil version for public servants who was active in 1898. It was awarded in one bronze grade on red/white ribbon (half/half).

About 5 000 000 of bronze medals was awarded.

Ladis

Hallo Ladis :beer:

thanks for your reply, can you post any source for your information with regards this topic,

as it's an argument I have come across before, Civil - Military v. Manufacture.

Also do you have any pictures of the Gold version you mention?

Thank you,

Kevin in Deva. :beer:

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Hallo,

One of my source is book Rady a vyznamenani Habsburske monarchie (Orders and decorations of Habsburg monarchy) written by Ivan Kolacny (ISBN 80-902745-9-5). I have only bronze medals in my collection, but I can post picture of gold medal from this book at evening.

Ladis

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Hallo Iver, :beer:

many thanks for the addition to the thread and the picture is great for reference.

Is it known how many of this type were issued??

Kevin in Deva. :beer:

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Hello

This russian page talk about a special serie of this medal only for members of the Imperial and Hungarian Court:

http://ah.milua.org/awords/medall/1898.htm

In three classes: Gold, Silver and bronze, with different ribbon shapes as this for civilian personal of the court:

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Hello

This russian page talk about a special serie of this medal only for members of the Imperial and Hungarian Court:

http://ah.milua.org/awords/medall/1898.htm

In three classes: Gold, Silver and bronze, with different ribbon shapes as this for civilian personal of the court:

Hallo Boris :beer:

does it happen to show, or do you have a picture for the back of the medal?

Kevin in Deva. :beer:

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Hello Kevin :beer:

I can make a summary of images, but you have all in the Russian Link.

The reverse:

In latin the words:"Franz Joseph I, 50 aniversary party of his reign"

The name: JUBIL?UMS ? MEDAILLE

-Gold

-Silver

-Bronze

The three classes with trhee kinds of ribbons, militar ,civil and another one for ladies with bow shape.

Militar type presentations for "garde du corps" or imperial guards and other militar personal.

Size 39x31 mm. All have claps with "1848-1898" date. Reverse is all types the same.

Number of presentations:

Gold: A few dozens

Silver: 1300 and 1600 issues.

Bronze: 4185 presentations of 5500 issues. There are two types, brigth and dark bronze.

Medals for ladies are smaller (26x20 mm.) and only made in bronze. Issue was of 200 pieces but only 62 presentations.

Regards

Edited by Boris

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A better view of anverse and 1:1 scale

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2009/post-4508-1231983122.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2009/post-4508-1231983143.jpg

(I have to emphasize that all the merit of the russian link is from Iver, I found it searching in this web)

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Hello,

just to add some more reference sources about the differences between the military and civil 1898 Jubilee Medals, these are also indicated in the following works:

H. v. Heyden: "Ehren-Zeichen der erloschenen und bl?henden Staaten Deutschlands und Oesterreich-Ungarns - II. Nachtrag 1898-1906"; Frankfurt a.M., 1906

W.H.edl. v. Hessenthal - G. Schreiber: "Die tragbaren Ehrenzeichen des Deutschen Reiches"; Berlin, 1940

Vaclav Měřička: "Orden und Ehrenzeichen der Oesterreichisch Ungarischen Monarchie"; Vienna, Schroll, 1974;

Jos. v. Falkenstien (Dan Ragsdale): "Imperial Austrian Medals and Decorations"; Tucson, 1972

R. frhr. v. Proch?zka: "Oesterreichisches Ordenshandbuch - Gro?e Ausgabe", vol. 2; Munich, 1979

J. Stolzer - Chr. Steeb (et alia): "Oesterreichs Orden"; Graz, ADEVA, 1996.

All the mentioned books can be considered as a "basis" to the study of Austrian Phaleristic.

Best wishes,

Elmar Lang

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I have made a visual reconstruction of the differents models with the pieces i have found:

(could be some mistake because it is to get an idea of the global collection)

1)Goldene Jubil?umshofmedaille

Silberne Jubil?umshofmedaille

Bronzene Jubil?umshofmedaille

With militar ribbons

2)Bronzene Jubil?umshofmedaille

With civil servant ribbon

3) Hypothetical Jubil?umshofmedaille for women. I d'ont know where was the clasp position.

4) Goldene Jubil?umserinnerungsmedaille f?r die bewaffnete Macht und die Gendarmerie

5) Bronzene Jubil?umserinnerungsmedaille f?r die bewaffnete Macht und die Gendarmerie

6) Jubil?umserinnerungsmedaille f?r Zivilstaatsbedienstete

7) Widows Ribbon.

Sources:

http://www.mlorenz.at/Biographien/biograph...Gustav%20FIGALA

http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...bayphotohosting

http://picasaweb.google.com/lwmwkw/KUKMonarchie#

http://awards.netdialogue.com/Europe/Austr...mpire/SM/SM.htm

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?act=idx

(The mother of all sources are books, collections and museum)

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I have only ever seen #4 and #5.

By "uniformed services" do you mean military (army, navy ), as well as the gendarmarie?

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Hallo Boris, :beer:

many thanks for your replies, looks very interesting visually :jumping:

Was the widows version actually issued and what criteria for issue and are the numbers known?

Kevin in Deva :beer:

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I have only ever seen #4 and #5.

By "uniformed services" do you mean military (army, navy ), as well as the gendarmarie?

The name of the medal said:

Bronzene Jubil?umserinnerungsmedaille f?r die bewaffnete Macht (und die Gendarmerie)

Then if you are speaking abour armed forces, you are speaking of army, navy, territorials forces, gendarmerie, frontier forces, air forces...

The number 6:

http://mujweb.cz/www/evyznamenru/Prebvyznamrak.htm

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Hallo Boris, :beer:

many thanks for your replies, looks very interesting visually :jumping:

Was the widows version actually issued and what criteria for issue and are the numbers known?

Kevin in Deva :beer:

Hello Kevin in Deva, if you have some information about this particular I would be very glad to receive it because I have not idea. I have put the "visual", you can help me if you want.

Regards

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Hello,

I've searched through my reference books (including the Michetschl?ger) and haven't found any evidence of that special medal "for widows".

Do you have any source that indicates its institution?

Best wishes,

Enzo

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Hello,

I've searched through my reference books (including the Michetschl?ger) and haven't found any evidence of that special medal "for widows".

Do you have any source that indicates its institution?

Best wishes,

Enzo

Hello Elmar Lang

The source of the image is this:

http://www.medal-medaille.com/product_info...roducts_id=1086

And other maybe extrange piece:

http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.ph...50&Lot=2067

If you are so kind to answer I have a question:

?What is the differences between the inscripci?n in the civil and military categories?

There is a "AC" that I can?t find the real meaning.

In latin is "atque" OR "ET" but what is the diference whith and withot "AC".

Regards

PD. About the books, is not so easy to get when we are taking about old books and international posting.

I remembered I tried to get one about french uniforms and I'm still waiting after half a year. java script:add_smilie(":(","smid_8")

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