Gordon Williamson Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 This interesting little piece ( yes it is distorted, not just an optical illusion) has two separate core pieces for front and back and going by the extremely sharp detail, which is much better in real life than these scans show, I'm guessing they are stamped rather than cast
DavidM Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 HelloA very interesting piece. I have never read about or seen a four piece EK2 before. Thanks for showing it. I note that there is stamped mark on the ring. Is it legible and if so what mark is it ? Is it a known manufacturers ?
Gordon Williamson Posted January 17, 2006 Author Posted January 17, 2006 Yes, there is a stamp, but its not the manufacturers Initial(s), its just a square.
Daniel Murphy Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 I have had a couple of these for some years. My theory is that these were made due to their being much cheaper to make than an EK with a cast iron or steel center. Thin sheets of steel could be stamped out much easier and placed back to back in the frame and did not require the business to have a foundry. I have been able to identify them in this way. Place your thumb and indexfinger on the front and back of the center core and squeeze. If it is a stamped center there will be a slight amount of give due to the airspace in between them. I have also encountered some very light EK1's that I am sure have the same type of core. One of mine is a spangenstuck with a split ring for a medal bar and the other is an issue type.
joe campbell Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 gordon-the square is a recognized MM, but i don'tthink the actual manufacturer has been identified.i'd trade you my little brother for it....dan-thanks for the tip. i've got one i'm going to check on right now.joe
Bill Garvy Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 (edited) Another of our collector colleagues, cool, posted these pictures over at the M.C.F. of a couple of four piece Iron Crosses in 2nd Class shamelessly vivisected to bring us these pictures of the autopsy. . . Pictures used with permission of "cool", so thanks are in order. . .obverse of sacrificial Imperial Iron Cross in 2nd Class:two piece core, obverse:two piece core reverse: Edited January 20, 2006 by Bill Garvy
Bill Garvy Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 more. . .obverse inner:reverse inner:two piece frame:
Bill Garvy Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 (edited) more. . .four piece cross:obverse:reverse: Edited January 20, 2006 by Bill Garvy
Bill Garvy Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 still more. . .inner obverse:inner reverse:the two sacrificial crosses at autopsy:
Bill Garvy Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 (edited) gasp at the horror. . .another view of the crime scene: Edited January 20, 2006 by Bill Garvy
joe campbell Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 um...i'm not about to do this to any of MY crosses,but this certainly has the benefit of showingsomething rather clearly, so thatmartyrdom is in order for at least one of these crosses.thanks for the pix, bill!joe
Wood Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 I've also seen the remains of a WWII EK II made in this manner.Pete
Daniel Murphy Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 i'm not about to do this to any of MY crossesMe either. The only way is if it was already split apart due to solder failure and I bought it for that purpose.Dan Murphy
Bill Garvy Posted January 21, 2006 Posted January 21, 2006 (edited) Gentlemen,I believe that was indeed the intended purpose. . . Edited January 21, 2006 by Bill Garvy
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