Robin Lumsden Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Anyone know what this is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 Here's the back....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 A good copy of the Flamethrower skull? (Tankers? Sturmtruppen?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Robin,I do not know specifically what this patch is, but I can offer the following thoughts. During the First World War the Germans did wear sleeve patches, but the only examples that would have had a ring around the insignia were related to the navy. Naval ground troops did wear Feldgrau sleeve patches in this style, but they were just gray versions of their normal rate insignia. So I think you can dismiss the wartime period. The early Weimar army also wore sleeve patches with rings and they were used to identify units, as there were no shoulder boards (just a shoulder cord) during this period. There exists a chart of these patches, which I don't have a copy of, but I do have a few examples of the sleeve patches. They have chainstitched unit numbers with colored outer rings, which denote the branch of the service. Your patch may be from this period, and perhaps the gray ring denotes Kraftfahrtruppen. So my guess would be armoured car personnel from that period.Perhaps you already know what this patch is and are asking the question rhetorically, but that is my best guess.Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 (edited) Chip.Not armour, but you are close.I've only ever seen this badge photographed once........ in a German book published in 1938......... Edited January 6, 2007 by Robin Lumsden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 It also appeared in a 1970s book as a drawing.....something like this....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 (edited) Robin,So does this mean I have guessed the correct time period? It appears that your pictured patch is the same one as pictured in black and white. Notice the same irregular edge to the outline.Chip Edited January 6, 2007 by Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Hi, Badge from Freikorps unit : Ostpreussisches J?gerkorps Gerth.RegardsChristophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Very good Christophe! I had not even considered the Freikorps. Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 7, 2007 Author Share Posted January 7, 2007 Hi, Badge from Freikorps unit : Ostpreussisches J?gerkorps Gerth.RegardsChristopheKorrekt Here it is in the 1938 book......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Robin,Does the book tell who wrote the article?Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 7, 2007 Author Share Posted January 7, 2007 (edited) The book was an anthology of FK vets' stories edited by Ernst von Salomon, a former Freikorps fighter. Edited January 8, 2007 by Robin Lumsden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Robin,I'm sorry. I this particular picture attributed to anyone?Thanks,Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 (edited) Robin,I'm sorry. I this particular picture attributed to anyone?Thanks,ChipChip.The picture in the book is attributed to a Freikorps vets' group from the 1930s (Reiter gen Osten). Edited January 8, 2007 by Robin Lumsden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 A good copy of the Flamethrower skull?Here is a copy flamethrower skull......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 ...and a real one..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 Tankers?Here is a tanker skull from 1919........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Robin,I have a friend who has a real enlisted Totenkopfpionier sleeve patch and that copy is not even close. Just an FYI.Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Hi, This article has been written by Major von Weiss. The name of the article is "die Entstehung des Ostpreussischen Freiwilligenkorps", pp. 73- 77.RegardsChristopheRobin,Does the book tell who wrote the article?Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 Robin,I have a friend who has a real enlisted Totenkopfpionier sleeve patch and that copy is not even close. Just an FYI.ChipYes, I know. The copy I posted is currently for sale on eBay.de. I will not be bidding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 Robin,I have a friend who has a real enlisted Totenkopfpionier sleeve patch and that copy is not even close. Just an FYI.ChipThere is also an original on a tunic in the military museum at Rastatt........beautifully embroidered in fine silver wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Robin,Yes, I saw that officer's version on a visit to Rastatt in 1981. Quite an impressive tunic and outfit and also adorned on the collar with Freikorps insignia.Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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