James Hoard Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Does anyone have details of the Swazi orders and decorations?It seems that there are at least four orders, as follows:The Royal Order of King Sobhuza II: founded by King Sobhuza II in 1975. Awarded in three (?) classes (1. Grand Counsellor, 2. Chief Counsellor, 3. Counsellor).The Swazi Royal Family Order: founded by King Mswati III before 2003. Awarded in a single class to senior members of the Swazi Royal Family only.The Royal Order of Eswatini: founded by King Mswati III before 2003. Awarded in five classes (1. Grand Commander, 2. Grand Officer, 3. Commander, 4. Officer, and 5. Member).The Order of the Swazi Crown: founded by King Mswati III before 2003. Awarded in five classes (1. Grand Commander, 2. Grand Officer, 3. Commander, 4. Officer, and 5. Member).Looking at the chests of Swazi police and army officers, it also looks like they have an awful lot of medals nowadays.Cheers,James Hoard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Hi James,Here is a little info, not much right now, might help a bit.DecorationsUmbutfo Swaziland Defence Force Medal for Distinguished Service (1980- ) Umbutfo Swaziland Defence Force Medal for Meritorious Service (1980- ) Long Service MedalUmbutfo Swaziland Defence Force Long Service Medal (1980- ) 5 CONFERMENT OF HONOURS AND MEDALS5.1 Your Majesty, may I on behalf of the members of the Royal Swaziland Police Service sincerely thank His Majesty for conferment of honours and Medals to the members of the police service, in recognition of distinguished, bravery, meritorious and long service.5.2 They were in the following categories; 4 Distinguished Service medals, 9 Meritorious Service Medal, 1 Somhlolo bravery and 292 police officers of all ranks were honoured with long service medals.5.3 May I also extend gratitude for the Royal Honours, The Royal Order of Eswatini which were awarded to 4 members of the Police Service during the 35th Birthday of His Majesty and the 35th Anniversary of Independence last year.Regards Eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur R Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Here's what I have on the subject:Civil/GeneralRoyal Order of Sobhuza II (18.06.1975- ) -- for outstanding service to Swaziland; three classes: Grand Counsellor, Chief Counsellor, Counsellor.Somhlolo Award for Bravery -- appears to be awarded to civilians, police, prisons service. and defence force.Insignia for ChiefsKing Sobhuza Diamond Jubilee Medal 1981King Mswati III Coronation Medal 1988Royal Swaziland PoliceKing's Police Medal for Distinguished Service (10.12.1971- ) -- for exemplary conduct, exceptional resource and devotion to duty.Royal Swaziland Police Medal for Meritorious Service (10.12.1971- ) -- for exemplary conduct, resource and devotion to duty.Royal Swaziland Police Long Service Medal (10.12.1971- ) -- for 18 years service.Swaziland PrisonsKing's Prisons Medal for Distinguished Service (10.12.1971- ) -- for exemplary conduct, exceptional resource and devotion to duty.Swaziland Prisons Medal for Meritorious Service (10.12.1971- ) -- for exemplary conduct, resource and devotion to duty.Swaziland Prisons Long Service Medal (10.12.1971- ) -- for 18 years service.Umbutfo Swaziland Defence ForceUSDF Medal for Distinguished Service (11.07.1980- ) -- for exemplary conduct, exceptional resource and devotion to duty.USDF Medal for Meritorious Service (11.07.1980 - ) -- for exemplary conduct, resource and devotion to duty.USDF Long Service Medal (11.07.1980 - ) -- for 18 years service.The other orders are new to me - thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted September 25, 2008 Author Share Posted September 25, 2008 Thanks Arthur, that is very useful to have.If you like I can send you some photographs of the King wearing some of these orders.I tried posting them but they take up too much memory. If I cut them down to size, you will not be able to see very much.Cheers,James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Does anyone have pictures of these Orders and Medals? Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted September 26, 2008 Author Share Posted September 26, 2008 Does anyone have pictures of these Orders and Medals?DocAs I said, I tried posting some pictures of the King wearing orders but they were too big.Here is my second atempt.Full viewClose up.The star on the right breas appears to be the Royal Order of Sobhuza II. The star on the bottom left breast is his Order of St John of Jerusalem, to which he was appoined on 11.11.1991, but the collar chain is unknown to me. The star on the top left breast is obviously one of the newer orders, but which one?Cheers,James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted September 26, 2008 Author Share Posted September 26, 2008 Given tha both the King and Princess seem to be wearing the same order, my guess is that this ribbon of broad yellow with brown/russet edge stripes separated by a thin white stripe is the Swazi Royal Family Order.Cheers,James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted September 26, 2008 Author Share Posted September 26, 2008 I do not know which order this sash belongs to, but my guess is that it goes with the second star on the King's left breast. The first star on the right appears to be the Swazi Royal Family Order.Cheers,James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted September 26, 2008 Author Share Posted September 26, 2008 Another version of the Royal Order of Sobhuza II star on the right breast?Unknown sash, sar and collar.Cheers,James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted September 26, 2008 Author Share Posted September 26, 2008 Now here is a further mystery.A picture of the present King's father Sobhuza II with the last but one British Commissioner, Sir Brian Marwick. The latter is obviously not wearing his KBE which he received in June 1963.Sobhuza was made a CBE in 1950 and KBE in 1966, but he seems to wearing an entirely different and unidentifiable breast star and neck badge. Could Swaziland already have insituted the Royal Order of Sobhuza II or another order around that period?Cheers,James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur R Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 The star on the right breas appears to be the Royal Order of Sobhuza II. The star on the bottom left breast is his Order of St John of Jerusalem, to which he was appoined on 11.11.1991, but the collar chain is unknown to me. The star on the top left breast is obviously one of the newer orders, but which one?The star on the right breast is indeed the Royal Order of Sobhuza II. That on the left breast is the South African Order of Good Hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megan Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 (edited) Nice - Thanks, folks. I have little information as yet... Edited September 26, 2008 by Megan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 (edited) As I said, I tried posting some pictures of the King wearing orders but they were too big.Here is my second atempt.Full viewClose up.The star on the right breas appears to be the Royal Order of Sobhuza II. The star on the bottom left breast is his Order of St John of Jerusalem, to which he was appoined on 11.11.1991, but the collar chain is unknown to me. The star on the top left breast is obviously one of the newer orders, but which one?Cheers,JamesIs this King Mswati III and which Princess is this? Doc Edited September 26, 2008 by Riley1965 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted September 26, 2008 Author Share Posted September 26, 2008 Yes indeed, all the pictures except for the b/w one are of Mswati III. Sorry to say that I do not know which princess.Cheers,James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVB Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Thank you, James for the great pictures!On this photo Sobhusa II with order on the sash. It's first time I've seen that man wears the order without cloth! Regards, IVB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted September 26, 2008 Author Share Posted September 26, 2008 Thank you, James for the great pictures!On this photo Sobhusa II with order on the sash. It's first time I've seen that man wears the order without cloth! Regards, IVB.I think he may well have been caught unawares. He was given the GCMG as a bit of a surprise present from the Queen on his Diamond Jubilee. Princess Margaret had travelled all the way out there especially and he wasn't told that he was going to receive the order beforehand. Nevertheless, he was a hugely dignified man. Equally at home in full uniform, evening dress or a grass skirt. In the 1920s and 1930s he would have been dressed in a Household Cavalry uniform with a shining helmet and plumes. Cheers, James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 I think he may well have been caught unawares. He was given the GCMG as a bit of a surprise present from the Queen on his Diamond Jubilee. Princess Margaret had travelled all the way out there especially and he wasn't told that he was going to receive the order beforehand. Nevertheless, he was a hugely dignified man. Equally at home in full uniform, evening dress or a grass skirt. In the 1920s and 1930s he would have been dressed in a Household Cavalry uniform with a shining helmet and plumes. Cheers, JamesWhich Order Did he receive? GCMG- Grand Cross ... ...? Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Which Order Did he receive? GCMG- Grand Cross ... ...? DocKnight Grand Cross of the Most Distinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George (GCMG = God calls Me God).See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_St_M...l_and_St_Georgehttp://www.medals.org.uk/united-kingdom/un...-kingdom011.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted September 27, 2008 Author Share Posted September 27, 2008 Knight Grand Cross of the Most Distinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George (GCMG = God calls Me God).See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_St_M...l_and_St_GeorgeSigh!Only in the post book reading world could that tired ditty be ascribed to 'Yes Minister'.Cheers,James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megan Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Actually, the nicknames for the various levels of the Order of St Michael & St George were in common use, certainly within both the Home Civil Service and the Foreign Office, for some considerable time before Yes, Minister was aired. For those who don't know them:CMG = Call Me GodKCMG = Kindly Call Me GodGCMG = God Calls Me God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Thanks all for the info!!! I was searching ribbon charts for an Order starting with MG. I knew the GC=Grand Cross but couldn't figure out the MG. The nivknames for this Order are most interesting. Again, Thanks for the lesson!!! Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted September 27, 2008 Author Share Posted September 27, 2008 Actually, the nicknames for the various levels of the Order of St Michael & St George were in common use, certainly within both the Home Civil Service and the Foreign Office, for some considerable time before Yes, Minister was aired.True, but the wikipedia article quotes "Yes Minister" as its source.The explanations actually arose not from the Foreign or Home Civil Service, but in the Colonial Service. Due, largely, to the ascending power of the recipients as they climbed the career ladder. Best described in terms of their power over life and death. The order was not usually conferred on members of the Home Civil Service and Foreign Office diplomats did not hold power.I think it was either Sir Bede Clifford or Sir Harry Luke who first wrote about the usages in their memoirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megan Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Could well be right, James - I learned those names from my father, who did in fact have a brief secondment to the Colonial Office although most of his career was in the Home Civil Service. Most civil servants, at least those with any interest in gongs, would recognise the terminology, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heusy68 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 I do not know which order this sash belongs to, but my guess is that it goes with the second star on the King's left breast. The first star on the right appears to be the Swazi Royal Family Order.Cheers,JamesHello the red sash with a central yellow stripe is the sash of Order of E'Swatini (the Military Order of Swaziland).It is manufactured by Cleave & Co from London ,who have a display frame with all the grade of this Order in their waiting room.Quality of workmanship is excellent.Emmanuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Emmanuel, Thanks for the lead.I will write to them and see if they will share more details about these and any other Swazi decorations they may produce.Cheers,James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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