j-sk Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Hello Gentlemen, Does anyone know what this Chinese medal refers to (blank reverse)? Is it a fake or a vintage one? Thank you in advance for your replies. Jean-Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 And other more detailed photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Hi Jean-Sam, why do you think this is a chinese medal? The motif (cross, wreath ... ) is not very chinese. Same goes to the craftsmanship. By the way, is it just me or the central piece at obverse is missing? Cheers, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hc8604 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 The seller is listing this as a "Chinese" medal and has several others that he assumes Chinese even though it does not look Chinese. The only thing I can see being close to Chinese is the 5 colored rings/circle that represents the five races of China, and with the red being center, is not a Manchukuo type (yellow would be the center). But without any writing to identify it, this is a tough one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share Posted July 7, 2013 Hi Nick, Thank you for getting back to me. Although it might look very "Westerner" I think it is Chinese because of the colours used in the central medallion. Whereas for the missing part, it looks like nothing is missing... Cheers, Jean-Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hc8604 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 A lot of Asian medals do have similar European concepts. Any other countries use the same type of eye and hook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drclaw Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) I agree with HC's #4. In addition, the wreath of leaves looks similar to the tung leaves of the Fourth and Fifth Class Order of Rank and Merit. There were hundreds of medals in the Warlord Era, not all of them documented. This might be one of those but identifying it could be almost impossible now. Edited July 7, 2013 by drclaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Although it might look very "Westerner" I think it is Chinese because of the colours used in the central medallion. Hmmm... I guess it could be issued by some western organization (religion or charitable for example) as some kind merit medal to its chinese members... Whereas for the missing part, it looks like nothing is missing... Take a good look at the central (enameled red) medallion and you will see a hole Was there a plate (in the form of the letter or organization symbol)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 In addition, the wreath of leaves looks similar to the tung leaves of the Fourth and Fifth Class Order of Rank and Merit. What a terrible thing to say! There were hundreds of medals in the Warlord Era, not all of them documented. This might be one of those but identifying it could be almost impossible now. Yes, but can we find among them medals and orders in the form of the cross? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drclaw Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Indeed we can! The Order of Rank and Merit. But of course, the shape represents the Five Cardinal Points: North, South, East, West and Centre. Actually, I can imagine at least one warlord who might have given out medals in the shape of a cross - Feng Yuxiang, the Christian Warlord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Any other countries use the same type of eye and hook? Yes. Unfortunately too many of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Indeed we can! The Order of Rank and Merit. At a big stretch I guess .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share Posted July 7, 2013 Thank you all, Gentlemen, for your valuable remarks. One thing is sure though: China - as well as Chinese phaleristics - is a definitely mysterious and fascinating world where there is always something to find or discover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted July 9, 2013 Author Share Posted July 9, 2013 Hmmm... I guess it could be issued by some western organization (religion or charitable for example) as some kind merit medal to its chinese members... Take a good look at the central (enameled red) medallion and you will see a hole Was there a plate (in the form of the letter or organization symbol)? Actually it is not a hole but only a mere black dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 It can be a black dot of course. Perfectly centered black dot ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 Yes, because the layer of red enamel on the central medallion is intact... as well as all the other bits of enamel though. No hairline, no hole whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) Yes, because the layer of red enamel on the central medallion is intact... as well as all the other bits of enamel though. No hairline, no hole whatsoever. Dimension of the cross: 36,5mm. Ribbon: greenisch fieldgrey 30mm wide with a 6mm central red-orange stripe. Edited July 16, 2013 by j-sk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Yep, I see what you are talking about ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-sk Posted July 21, 2013 Author Share Posted July 21, 2013 I'll come back as soon as I get further informations... provided I can get some... Jean-Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No one Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Dear Gentlemen, While searching the internet, I discovered these two medals, but the name does not match them. They would be classified as first and second classes. Yours sincerely, No one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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