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Hi guys,

I've recently obtained a pair of shoulder boards which bear the coat of arms of the Francoist Spain, but am unable to identify the position or rank related to it.I think we might be able to rule out it being a party related position either as the Falange had their own shoulder boards which bore their own party crest, like Serrano Suner's. 

Was wondering then if anyone had any idea whether this pair of shoulder boards relate to any specific rank or position under Franco's regime. Thanks!

 

Weixiang

 

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Hello 

Weixiang Liu

Yes you are right, it its must be rank insignes from Franco's ministers as Serrano Suñer. But I am not sure  its come from falangist origins. If I find something I will tell you at once.

Regards

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As you see in the photo, Suñer carry two kinds of insignias and one uniform. In the chest bear falangist badge of rank. But he is visiting germany as Foreing Affairs Minister  of Franco. Then, the uniform and the shoulder badges must be from diplomatic spanish uniform and badges of rank. This is other point of view I think we have not forget.

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This link is good: It is a spanish forum where there are specialist in diplomatic badges and uniforms, As "Rommel". I can't get in without sign up. But if you are interesting, maybe better you ask here... if you want some idiomatic help i can translate for you.

 

http://mundomilitaria.es/foro/index.php?board=104.0

Regards... Boris II

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Boris : The shoulderboards are of a franquist era Police commisioner . Usually this branch of the Police wears civilian clothes but they have uniforms too . The branch name was Cuerpo general de Policia , later Cuerpo superior de Policia . The old Policia Armada of the Franco years was renamed Cuerpo Nacional de Policia . finally they merged the Cnp with the CSP and formed the today Policia Nacional . 

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Hello Bayern

Sorry, but Serrano Suñer that was Franco's brother in law never was a member of the spanish police. Then it is not possible for him to wear a police uniform. He was lawyer or graduate in laws, and "camisa nueva" of the Falange. It means he didn't be a part of the José antonio's falange, as Hedilla, the falange previous to the civil war and where Franco was an extrange. He was named by Franco chief of the nationalist foreign office (1)  because his "germanofilia".

Then, he was a high rank leader, of the new falange found by Franco  joining the new spanish fascist (JONS) with the traditionalist or requetés. Then he has a falange rank that is the one you can see in the chest with the falange symbol, that it takes from the "Reyes católicos"(3) the famous " yugo y las flechas" more (el nudo gordiano) that was chosen for those kings as symbol (4) and

stole by Franco as symbol of the "new Spain". As he chose those king's age as example of the Empire to came. The rank, I don`t know exactly what was as I am not an specialist, and the cup decorations were not from falange, then have to be from the uniform

of Foreign Office, logically. Those were my advices, nothing more. The main work to search is not mine.

Boris 

 

(1) With headquarters in Burgos during the war.

(2) From germano=german and (from filius-i, latin= brother; filia (rom spanish=liking))

(3) From the latín Rex-regis: rey, king. And from the old greek katholicós=universal.

(4) Y-ugo, Isabel, flechas, F-ernando.

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Boris : The shoulder boards ARE Policial . I dont said that Serrano Suñer wears the same type of shoulderboards . Falange shoulderboards were of rectangular form ,pointed ,of black cloth piped red silver or gold , and after the unification of falangists jonsists and carlists carried on the st Andrew cross and one two or three red silver or gold yokes .most commonly the  SBs carried in place of the cross the yoke and arrows emblem in red . The breast insignia of Serrano denotes his rank , over all the yoke and arrows then two four pointed silver stars (luceros ) and finally three yokes . Only Franco carried three luceros . as Caudillo and Jefe Nacional

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Hello Bayern

Sorry I thought you were talking about Serrano shoulder-board insignias. Maybe you are right... I have not time to look for the policial ranks but one thing is sure:

If you know spanish, please take a view to those links:

https://www.boe.es/buscar/doc.php?id=BOE-A-1997-21175

https://www.protocolo.org/ceremonial/protocolo_organismos_e_instituciones/breve_resena_del_uniforme_diplomatico.html

http://mundomilitaria.es/foro/index.php?topic=12497.45

The diplomatic or consular never wear the rank in the shoulder-boards.  

Then, it can be policial perfectly.

Regards

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Boris : thanks for the links , in the last site http mundomilitaria a forist stares clearly that Serrano in Hendaya weared El uniforme del Movimiento . that is of Falange . coincides with me .As minister Serrano weared always the uniform of a Jerarca , of Falange . in summer and winter versions . normally with peaked cap . perhaps he disliked the red beret of Carlist origin.

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Hello bayern

Thanks to you. Yes Serrano use to wear the "Movimiento" uniform. Was the easier and correct way to see things. He was not Carlist at all because Carlist are not fascist, are tradicionalist.

 

Regards

 

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About the shoulder-boards it likes to below to the Cuerpo General de Policía 1941- 1978 althought I can't find the exact rank:

http://www.insigniapolicia.es/cuerpo-general-de-policia-1941-1978

http://guardiadeasalto.com/401/47664.html

https://www.policia.es/museo/museo.html

It likes to be of Inspector de Segunda de la escala de ejecución o ejecutiva.

Anyway, it  to be likes various patterns, depending the tailor that made the full uniform.

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Boris : To me are for Comisario Principal escala de mando later type .

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Yes Bayern, and this is for sure:

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Thanks for your definitive help.

 

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