Luftwaffe Norwegian JG 5 docs

[Simon Orchard]

I am a little confused here, the listing I have (from him I hope) show only 19

Does somebody have a detail list and can confirm 19 or 20, please

I'm simply going from this Axis History factbook

if you have 19 from the man himself then that would seem to me to be a better source.

[François SAEZ]

I'm simply going from this Axis History factbook

if you have 19 from the man himself then that would seem to me to be a better source.

I was hoping that FrancisM or somebody who has the book you refer to "Eric Mombeek's "Eismeerj?ger: Band 2"' could have helped to confirmed one way or the other.

[François SAEZ]

... During the period he was awarded his EKI and FFS the staffel was based at Petsamo (now Pechenga and in Russia) flying escort missions for bombers and stukas attacking Murmansk and in particualr the Murmansk railway which was so vital for transfering the supplies brought in on the arctic convoys.

The date of his EKI, 17 February 1942, is significant as it was on that day he claimed his 3rd and 4th air ...

[Simon Orchard]

I was hoping that FrancisM or somebody who has the book you refer to "Eric Mombeek's "Eismeerj?ger: Band 2"' could have helped to confirmed one way or the other.

i'm afraid Band 2 only covers the period up to June '43 and is written in the form of a day to day diary, band 3 is yet to be published.

It seems like the 4 staffel ended up getting some of the less glamorous jobs, or at least had fewer opportunities for it's pilots to build up their scores. Airfield and anchorage protection at Banak and Alta, jabo missions and escorts out of Alakurtti.

[Andy_F]

Here are some of Kurt Hammel's claims

Date; Name; Rank; Unit; Kill; Claim; Location; Time; Reference

30/08/41; Hammel, Kurt; Lt; 2./JG 77; Hudson; 1st; Lister; 15:00:00; OKL+JFV d.Dt.Lw. 5-15;

16/10/41; Hammel, Kurt; Lt; 2./JG 77; Beaufort; 2nd; 60km W. Egersund; 17:16:00; OKL+JFV d.Dt.Lw. 5-25

02/10/43; Hammel, Kurt; Oblt; 8./JG 27; Beaufort; 12th; PO: 10 m. (Ostk?ste Kreta); 17:20:00; Film C. 2031/II Anerk: Nr. -

18/10/43; Hammel, Kurt; Oblt; 8./JG 27; Beaufighter; 13th; S.W. Castelrosso: 30 m; 11:20:00; Film C. 2031/II Anerk: Nr. -

28/10/43; Hammel, Kurt; Oblt; 8./JG 27; Maryland; 14th; S. Insel Ch?lkis: 30 m. (W. Rhodes); 14:33:00; Film C. 2031/II Anerk: Nr. -

19/03/44; Hammel, Kurt; Oblt; 8./JG 27; B-24; 15th; zw. Marburg-Agram [Zagreb]: 6.000 m.; 14:15:00; Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr. 5

02/04/44; Hammel, Kurt; Oblt; 8./JG 27; B-24; 16th; N.W. Obdach: 6.000 m.; 10:42:00; Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr. 11

13/04/44; Hammel, Kurt; Oblt; 8./JG 27; B-24; 17th; 10 km. E.S.E. Raab [Gy?r]; -; III./JG 27 List f. 34

27/05/44; Hammel, Kurt; Oblt; 3./JG 77; P-47; 18th; 2372 at 4.000 m.; 06:45:00; Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr. 114

21/04/45; Hammel, Kurt; Oblt; 3./JG 77; La-5; 19th; -; -; JG 77 - Jochen Prien

02/05/45; Hammel, Kurt; Oblt; 3./JG 77; La-5; 20th; -; -; JG 77 - Jochen Prien

I have no details of claims 3-11 which I assume were with 4./JG 5

Edited June 22, 2006 by Andy_F

[François SAEZ]

Thanks Andy, much appreciated

Here is what I have

[Simon Orchard]

According to the book, Nr.3 was on the 2.12.41, 2 of the Banak victories were on the 19.7.42

[François SAEZ]

According to the notes I have, he was in Norway (at Banak) from the 01.06.42 to the 05.07.42

From the 05.07.42 to 23.09.42, he is reported to be in Finland

[François SAEZ]

another photo

[Dean]

Sirs, as a new member who stumbled across this site as part of an attempt to Google the redoutable Mr. Hammel (who may actually be part of my family line), I'm astounded by the documentation which has been discovered & shared thusfar. I must tip an electronic hat and offer my utmost thanks.

[nesredep]

Hello!

Amazing Docs.I love these from Norway.

All the best

Nesredep

[Arjen]

Searching for the story of 3 hudsons, from 320 Squadron RNAF, shot down at the south Norwegian coast on aug 30e 1941, I found this discussion. Kurt Hammel claimed 1 of these victories, the other 2 were Feldwebel Flamm and Leutnant Ehrler.

At the beginning of the discussion is written:

"If you don't already have it you ought to get a copy of Eric Mombeek's "Eismeerj?ger: Band 2" There's several photos of Hammel in cluding one taken on the day of the award of his EKII and a good account of his first victory, a lockheed Hudson shot down of the Southern Norwegian coast on the 30th Aug.41. It appears he was also a friend of Heinrich Ehrler who was also a leutnant in the 4 staffel in 1942."

Is there anybody who can copy or scan this pages and post them here? It would help me in my research!