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yes, I can try. I have a new allied.. Lambert

My South African Vic. Lambert

Hi Johnny I think this is a kind of unofficial French 4. The type Dubois UNIFAC. 1 Charles 2 Dubois UNIFAC 3 Pautot-Mattei 4 Pautot UNIFAC http://www.medailles1914-1918.fr/francemedailledb.html Lambert

This is my example French, classical : Marlon

Hi Robw Photos of the edge of the MV Belgium. MV # 5. I seem to be of French manufacture. am I right? 4# edges worn .. 5# Mark French? Lambert

Be wary of all items "rare" that seller. Do not buy anything! Fortunately, the photos are clear that these items are fake. But he manages to fool many people. He is careful to leave the item "PRIVATE" when the MV. Since when I started collecting, I've seen, selling a dozen of Siam and Cubam Vic! Note that all Ribbon MV, the same for all medals Vic. There is no limit to the dishonest. Lambert

Warning! It was posted for sale on Ebay, a lot with various Rare Vic (Portugal, Romania, Greece, Cuba, Siam, Czech ...) and Poland all fake. All of a well known seller on Ebay. Lambert

Warning FAKE! another medal on Ebay! Cuba Vic http://www.ebay.com/itm/CUBA-ALLIED-VICTORY-1914-1918-MEDAL-WW1-WWI-CUBAN-GRAN-GUERRA-MEDALLA-/260850768489?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbbeada69#ht_500wt_1287

Exactly! presenting the medals are different in the designer and the type of suspension. Besides the fact that there is nothing written on the obverse of this medal. This is one of the many variants (unofficial) Medal of volunteers Note this same type of suspension in this group Mini. In French: Médaille d'Engage volontaire lambert

Cited by RobW (Posted 13 September 2009) " As indicated in post #23 here are a couple of comparison pics of a regular French made Jap vic repro (on the left) and another French made cast copy repro (on the right). Note the smaller suspender ball, shallower level of detail and slightly pitted appearance, attributable to the casting process. The diameter of the cast copy is 34.6 mm compared to 35.8 mm for the standard French repro compared to 36.5 mm of the official strike. There is considerable flashing, pits, and filing marks on the rim indicative of the casting and finishing process. Hope it is of use. " And the reverse Regards, Rob I hope I have left this topic as fully as possible (yet) Lambert

Cited by RobW (Posted 24 July 2009) " For a direct L-R side by side comparison here are a French made repro and a Japanese vic official. The first of the French made repro's were produced in the mid to late 1920's and were not all edge marked. Some have been seen with just BRONZE on the edge with others unmarked. Those produced in the 1930's have the edge marking 'MADE IN FRANCE' to comply with the US Tariff Law of 1931, which required marking with the country of origin. There is, in addition, to the standard repro, a cast copy of the French repro as well. It has an even shallower field of detail, is suspended by a ball suspender and has the same French made ribbon. When I can find it I shall post pics. " And the reverses. Note the differences in detail of the flags and the slight differences and weight of the japanese inscriptions around the edge. In addition there are a number of instances where different characters are used, in particular at the bottom centre 6 o'clock position on the rim inscription. Hope these pics help comparisons. The ribbon that is used on the Japanese vic is generally chacterised by having quite a paler appearance than the ribbon used by other countries for their vics. Of note is that the yellow and green bands are generally quiet pale and almost absent, although I have a specimen in my collection that has a definitive green band. All original Japanese vics will have the standard 'hook and eye' on the ribbon reverse, for mounting, as well. The French ribbon again has a number of different variations depending on when it was produced but the colours are generally consistent, pretty vivid and strong. I shall post a side-by-side comparison of two Japanese vics with slightly different ribbon hues when I have time shortly Here are 2 of my japanese vics for a side-by-side comparison. Note the differences in ribbon hues between the two, and the strength of the green band on the medal on the left. Here are the reverses.

Cited by Paul L Murphy (Posted 23 October 2008) " I have been keeping a record of certificate numbers which I encounter for Japanese medals since the medal rolls were sequential. So far the highest number Victory Medal certificate I have encountered is 99,533. For the 1914-15 War Medal the highest certificate I have seen so far was 136,512 and for thw 1914-20 War Medal it is 310,037. I suspect that the Victory Medal was only given to those who got the earlier 1914-15 medal and not the 1914-20, which was mainly for the Siberian Expedition in 1919-20. This is only a personal view and I have no evidence to support it (yet). "

Cited by Kev in Deva (Posted 23 October 2008) " With regards the Japanese Inter-Allied Victory Medal, page 61 of the book by Mr. Alexander J. Laslo The Inter-Allied Victory Medal of WW1. 2nd Revised Edition:- QUOTE Designer:- Masakichi Hata (1882 - 1966) Manufacturer:- Osaka Mint. Number Issued:- Approximately 400,000 (21) . (21) In correspondence with the author, the osaka Mint states the Japanese Victory Medal was struck during the 1920 but that the production quantity was not known. The Osaka Mint report for fiscal year 1921-22 noted that the Victory Medal was struck during the fiscal year: that is, between April 1, 1920 and March 31 1921. Given the statement of the Mint that the Victory Medal was struck during 1920 together with the September 16 1920 date of the Imperial Order which established the medal, it is presumed the Victory Medal was struck sometime between the date of the order and December 31 1920. The total production of bronze medals for the fiscal year 1920 - 21 was 908,975. In addition to the Victory Medal, this figure included the 1914-1920 War Medal, the First National Census Commemorative Medal, and a number of other Medals. For this reason, the First Edition, estimate of issued Victory Medals has been reduced from 700,000 to 400,00 medals A copy of the Japanese Victory Medal was produced in France, probably a short time after the original was issued. This copy is easily to recognise by its ball suspension device and shallow depth of striking compared to the original. There are also die variances such as smaller globe, thinner characters, and the absence of accent lines inside the flags. Some are marked on the edge with "MADE IN FRANCE". Since the above book was published there are at least two modern copies being touted on the market, one in a very dark chocolate brown material, the other in shinny brass material, both have the British Inter-Allied medal ribbon attached and are usually offered without the box. The original Japanese Victory Medals complete with wooden box show up on the online auction pages more often than the original Greek, Portuguese, versions, with the most rare being the Brazilian, Siamese, Philippines, followed by the Greek, Romanian and Czechoslovakian Medals. The "Polish" Inter-Allied version is pure fantasy and offered mainly on American Ebay.""

I researched some more and found this same forum, important sections on the Vic Japanese who were "lost" and need to be in this topic: Cited by Kev in Deva (Posted 12 February 2006) " With regard the Japanese there were two types an Official, designed by Masakichi Hata and a "REPRO" produced in France a short time after the original was issued. The copy can be identified by its ball suspension device and shall depth of striking compared to the original Official issue. There are also die diferences such a smaller globe, slimmer characters, and the accent lines in the flags are missing. Also another point to note is the medal dosent fit exactly into the recess in the wooden box Numbers Issued by Japan: approximtely 400,000 Some of the copies are marked on the edge "MADE IN FRANCE". Additionaly very pale lines of green and yellow distinguish original Japanese Victory Medals from the Western made ribbons. POINT TO NOTE: In the last couple of years this Japanese type as well as the more rarer Allied Victory medals of Brazil, Cuba, Siam-Thailand, Greece, Portugal, Romania are being copied/faked. I believe they are coming out of the Birmingham area of England, one seller on British Ebay has the decency to declare them for what they are, however another EBayer out of Belgium regularly lists them as originals , the give away is the bog standard chocolate-brown colour and same ribbon to all. "

Thanks Bill :cheers:

This is my example Vic Italian version Loriol & Castelli (Official, type 2?) With the Ribbon Italian original, in reasonable condition. Coming directly from Italy to Brazil .. Well. I have not decided if I'll get all Italian Vic manufacturers .. Perhaps in the future ... Lambert

Beware medals of Israel! The falsification of Brazilian Vic on ebay Copy made in England. U $ 499.00 Of course, the seller does not inform, that this is not a copy. http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAZIL-ALLIED-VICTORY-1914-1918-MEDAL-WW1-WWI-BRAZILIAN-GRANDE-GUERRA-MEDALHA-/260850766063?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbbead0ef#ht_500wt_1287

Yes, Tim is insane, you can find some pretty stupid to believe. Unfortunately, a "collector" inexperienced, and an easy prey for these sellers. Lambert

She is back! I recently found on Ebay, the "famous" Polish Vic. Item Ebay nº 360391504683 "WW I POLISH VICTORY MEDAL WITH LARGE EAGLE SIGNED RARE" US$ 375 Lambert

Sorry Andrew, I can not find anything similar in catalogs German Emperor and German WWI .. The picture is also blurred .. does not help much. Lambert

Hello It seems to be a Orden vom Zähringer Löwen Ritterkreuz 2. Klasse mit Schwertern

More detailed the Brazilian Vic. Tipe 2 Reverse Detailed : J S ( Jorge Soubre)

Hi Bilco This in an excellent condition! but the Ribbon is original and very well preserved. I like that metal bar in the presentation of medals French and Belgians. Soon I get my Vic French (from France) I will show photos. Lambert :cheers:

My guess is that the size is at the center of the medal. The center is much larger orders in the Crimean War. I'm right? Lambert still learning :)

Hi Tim Medallion excellent, very cool! I unfortunately do not have that .. yet. I have other coins and medals to show soon. Personally, I like everything about the First World War. lambert