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Hi guys, I listed this EK1 in another forum I will list it here for good or bad If it is Original is GOOD if it is a fake it is BAD Regards Graf

One more on the back Graf

Hi, more pics of EK with round 3

Hi Jim, Thank you for the advice I got these two "rare' birds long before I was a member I was tricked into buying them only because I saw similar ones sold on "reputable" dealers sites for much more then I paid at the time Later on i found out that some deales knowingly or not sell repros as originals. I will post pictures if i decide to buy new 1939 EKs I like the the Club because i can share information with other memebers ..and get advice as well. Regards Graf

Hi Jim, Thank you for the mail. Well.... both are mine and i have to keep them since i bought them over 5-6 years ago, the period when i started collecting. I am not surprised about the Schinkel EK I have suspected it all the time. Well, the dealer is gone He is the one who sold me the 4th Class of the Germa Eagle, which I also suspedt that it is a good fake I Regarding the Round 3 Ek I am a little bit upset, because I did hope that it could be an original one. Why did the bother to use Original core with a new frame. What has happened with the original frame? It is soldered very nicely and there is no signg for resoldering or tempering.of the frame or the pin .. only the pin is assembled in a wrong way,,however I have seen this with originals from well known makers. I will put all of them in my "experience" drawer with few more things i bought during this novice period.That is a period with minefields for any beginer. All dodgy dealers like to pray on them. I can reassure you that I have not spent I fortune for them and at that time I believed that I had the bargain of the century. I keep away from 1939 EKs ,unless the dealer is with a very good reputation and the EK is very well known Kind regards Graf

Hi JP. Thank you for your reply. I have few orders -lower classes by Wolfers all are not marked, however they are well known Wolfers I also have few miniature by Wolfers -also unmarked, but identified as Wolfers. You correctly picked-up the period of the Plaque -it is 1920-1930 GO breast Star by Wolfers (identified by few experct including Guy) It is listed in the Leopold Order forum It is interisting fact, because Wolfers was one of the best maker at his time and never bothered to mark the lower classes. It let the quality to speak for itself Regards Graf

Hi James, Yes i believe the light can make a difference. Here are mine medals at closer view Upper Raw -Bilingual Lower Raw French only Regards Graf

Hi there, I have seen Wolfers Mark only on Grand Cross and Grand Officer Breast Badges I have few lower classes Orders made by Wolfers, however they are not marked Can someone list a picture of Wolfers maker mark Regards Graf

Hi James, You are right ..only this clear cover is a pazzle I assume someone has put it to preserve the Medal Also, the Bronze is a little bit different from the Bronze medals I have or I have had This could be because of the metal the maker has used....or perhaps different light you used It is a very nice piece anyway I had a hold of few Bronze medals including some of the Order of the Lion One of them (French made) you can see on the internet site of the Museum in Brussel The Bronze medal has a bigger crown than normal This is not the exact medal I had, however it is exactly the same type. I sold them to a friend collector from Belgium, because i believed he will appriciate them more then me. I might regret later on, however it was my choice at the time. Collecting is a funny thing You sell or swap an item then you start thinking whether you did the right thing That is life. Regards Graf

Hi Jef, In my opinoin, looking the picture, it appear that the Bronze is a Real one. You are right to look the medal from all aspects. If it is a worn Gold medal, in some shielded places it will be still trace of gold cover. No doubt about that. Thaths how I descarded my worn Gold medals as a Bronze. I found traces of Gold Cheer up. Regards Graf

Hi TacHel, Thank you for the comments. Hi Gldank, It looks Bronze. The problem is, as I stated earlier -only the picture is not good enough. It is a little bit a question this clear covering of your medal.l Ussually they do not have such one. Also i can see traces of Gold, if i am not mistaken, on the middle of the crown, and also the medal looks like worn Gold to me. However, again only from the picture it is difficult to judge.Sorry for my comment if it has offended you in any way. This is just my humble opinion from what I can see on the picture. I might be wrong. Cheer up! I bought few Worn Gold ones which I believed that were Bronze till i got my first real Bronze. I sold all of my worn Gold Medals -offcourse as Gold I decided to restrict myself to just to get the full Set and not to try to get different makers or Variations I also collect the Luxury Versions of the Miniatures. Excluding the Bronze medals, it is relatively not difficult task. I focused my Belgium Collection on the Order of Leopold1 - it is a very unique one with all Variations and Divisions. It is so complex Order that a lifelong time will be not enough to get all of them Regards Graf

This is the back These are pics taken from a Dealer site However my $th Class is identical to this one Graf

Hi JIm R. If you click on the pictures It will zoom the image If it is not good Iwill try to get better ones This is the 4th Class of the German Eagle- front view Regards Graf

Again, not a good result This is the back of Schinkel regards Graf

Schinke-l front vew

Hi It does not look better Any way this is the back of Rounded 3 Regards Graf

Hi Jimm, Thanks I have restriction for the size i took better pics This is Rounded 3 -front view regards Graf

This is picture of Luxury Miniature of Silver Medal

Hi, The bronze ones have a very distinctive "mat' surface. They are not as glossy as the gold ones It is very easy to make a mistake by looking only the pictures Some worn gold look like bronze You have to hold a bronze medal to see the difference I was lucky to get two -French and Bilingual The picture is from my not updated Order of The Crown Set The Sash is modern one and the Grand Cross is missing, I have it now with a proper Sash. Regards Graf

Schinkel -reverse

Schinkel -obverse

Rounded 3 -reverse

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The German Eagle 4th Class