Jos Le Conté

I've no further information about this first type. I don't know of any storage case,cardboard box or cloth bag for this particular type sofar. I'm not aware of any fakes of this type sofar. If there're no further questions or additional info concerning this type I'll ask Fran?ois to do the 2nd type,because I don't have a pair of these. I've quite some era shots of this type to post though.. Jos.

I agree,we've to work step by step till all types are done. After that we can make a conclusion. After every original type we can post a known fake (if there are any of that type ) Ofcourse any additional info is welcome. As a note:I started the thread with Nietsche & Guenther.. It should be : Nitsche & G?nther..,sorry. Also,G?nther and Guenther is the same in German,so,Guenther is easier to write. The makermark " NiGuRa" means Nitsche & Guenther Rathenow. Rathenow is a small place in Germany. Now the "Why these goggles.. The main reason : During the war it became necessary to protect the pilot's eyes from shell fragments and free-flying pieces of the cockpit interior. This led to the development of the "N&G Splitterbrille " ( N&G shattergoggles) These goggles were designed in collaboration with the Knothe firm. Here's the definition of the first type N&G : 1st type Splitterschutzbrille by N&G with convex lenses to deflect debris and conventional spectacle arms. Lower rims with small metal bridging joints to facilitate changing lenses. Frame with ventilation holes all around Tinted lenses only. A shot of the bridging joints. Jos.

Makermark ( NiGuRa ) and number 2. ( size ) And Luftdog wearing a pair of these.. Jos.

Thanks John, I can answer your question now,but all will be revealed in this thread. It all has to do with the different types etc.. I'll start with the first type,they look like a pair of regular sunglasses,but lenses and frame are typical N&G. I was very lucky to pick this set up,this type is very hard to find. I was also lucky to get a few shots of era pics from Fran?ois,even the pics are scarce.. Here's the first type : Jos.

I agree,there're some difficulties to find out about the types etc.. Fact about these goggles is that we've to do much research,just because little is known and written. Nietsche & Guenther still exists,but it seems the period 1935-1945 never took place and almost nothing can be found. Rathenow,a small place in Germany where Nietsche & Guenther was settled had 800 dealers/small factories dealing in optics those days.. Can we imagine ? Still there's less information available. What we know is that N&G not only made these goggles,but also other glasses and glasses for optics/watches.. What we don't know is if any other firm worked for N&G and if N&G used other frames as their owns for these goggles etc. What we don't have are era catalogs etc. to see what they had and made. Bottomline : We've to find out all this again,study the originals and era pics and try to get a grip on all fakes on the market. I'm in this hobby for a long time and would've thought that it would be easy to gain some more information and speak to/with longtime collectors about these goggles,but unfortunately I've to admit it failed and not many people are able to add some new information. I think we're halfway and I'm happy with that ,we've found out quite some things sofar and I think it's a very interesting subject. It's one of the main things in my head,probably because they're kind of mysterious. I've noticed that there's a moment in a flight collector's life that he wants one of these,they're so typical and almost a must to have IMO,if you're a real and true pilotstuff lover ofcourse... Not all,but many of these people just take one,they've nothing to compare,can't find good info,see one for less and go for ...the fake..! Even then they don't care for some reason. Probably because others can't tell them it's a fake or not..,which is a pity.. I've noticed dealers and people involved in the fakes keep their mouth shut,whatever you try,no info. This to me is very frustrating and I've asked in several forums what people know. Till now,...zip,nada..,not a word.. I find it strange,someone should know something IMO,but anyhow... Let's say this thread is about gathering information and putting facts and info we've together and maybe we can bring some more light in the mysterious world of the Nietsche & Guenther Splittergoggles.. Pics and info with types etc. will follow soon. Jos.

Jabs.. Jos.

Hard to see what it is though.. Jos.

Thanks ! Found one more.. Jos.

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Found another.. Jos.

Nightfighter.. Jos.

Nice stuff..!! Here's a nice pic of one of these... Jos.

My one and only P/O badge.. It's a nice one though. Jos.

Hello, I'd like to find some more information about N&G splitter goggles. Fakes are on the market,bad and better ones.. For months I try to find info about the better fakes,maybe even the good fakes,if there're any. Some say there're,but noone can point them out. This is one of those mysteries,if there're better fakes,who made them,where're they,who has them,how do they look,etc,etc.. Somebody has to know something,no ? So,any info,even gossip is welcome. A lot has been discussed in this thread..,unfortunately thread is kinda dead now. http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...ead.php?t=29902 Jos.

Nice example on a blue jacket... .

A few others..

and the back.. Jos.

Here's a original hollow zink Assmann Summer eagle.. Jos.

close-up.. Claws show no detail at all.. Jos.

back..

Thanks ! Here's the eagle in question.. Jos.

Hello Gentlemen, Dave,unfortunately your eagle is a copy IMO. I've pics of this particular eagle I'll post soon. I think this copy use to have a very thin needle. I've never seen originals having a prong attached to the swas. Jos.