Jean-Michel

Hello everyone, I present to you a model overmolded in one-piece bronze (token and bail). The tube bail is less wide than an official model. The diameter is almost identical to the official model. This model is slightly lighter than an official model. This medal has casting defects. There is no attribution, nor the slightest marking on the ring or on the medal. This model comes from an old collection consisting of several victory medals produced by Delande. Kind regards, Jean-Michel

Hello Rob, Thanks for your valuable analysis. I agree with you on foreign productions. For me, I do not consider these models particularly as copies, because they were produced more for collectors or perhaps individual orders, at least, that is what I think. When DELANDE thought he could make money on the sale of victory medals, he struck the medals. Best regards, Jean-Michel

Hello Rob, Thanks for your comments and I agree with you, these bars are from the same manufacturer. If Arthus-Bertrand made US victory medals, he must have made bars like Delande. The problem with the sales catalogs is that accessories like bars are not listed on them. I agree with your analysis, the reverse of the bars "MONTDIDIER-NOYON" and "OISE-AISNE" must have had a wide strap on the back. I measured the bars, they have the same height and length. On the other hand, the "SOMME" bar is twice as thick because you can't see the back of the letters. Best regards, Jean-Michel

Hello everyone, Here is a model from the Arthus-Bertrand house well hallmarked with the word "BRONZE". This medal is equipped with three bars, two of which are atypical and one rare. These bars were on the medal when I acquired it. There are two bars in stamped metal with a very fine clip, one of which has been repaired. What manufacture? The "SOMME" bar is rare, the letter "W" replaces the letter "M". I think that these bars are made by Arthus-Bertrand because most of the identical bars that I have seen were equipped with Arthus-Bertrand medals. Kind regards, Jean-Michel

Hello Rob, You were right to move the discussion. Regarding the Huguenin model, I sincerely believe you, I will modify my article concerning this model. I easily understand the fact that you no longer publish photographs, we have already discussed it in private. I take this opportunity to publish a model with a "BRONZE" marking on the reverse of the bail. This medal is an overmolding. I acquired this medal at an auction. This medal comes from an old collection composed of several victory medals manufactured by "Delande". You know as well as I do, that Delande was above all a collector before being a dealer. I recently had the opportunity to discuss with the person who bought his stock and I returned a very interesting document from this stock. Now, it is difficult to say if Delande for his own collection produced some overmolded models, but it would seem so. Similarly, there are sometimes differences between his drawings published in his main work and certain productions. Kind regards, Jean-Michel

Hello Rob, I completely agree with your analysis, concerning the HUGUENIN model for many years I believed that it did not exist. To this day, I have only seen fakes. In addition, the HUGUENIN house was bought and the new owner told me that he no longer had any archives. The same goes for the Greek diploma, it is also very hard to find, certainly the most difficult! Kind regards, Jean-Michel

Hello Rob, I was at the sale and I was able to have this medal in my hands. It was a very good copy and I hesitated to buy it. The prices of victory medals have fallen a lot in France. Sometimes in some auction rooms the prices soar for common copies, why? I have also seen copies sell for very high prices even though I had indicated it to the expert! There are real experts and those who run after the commission. I follow the auctions at Spink, the prices are often high or very high because of taxes because the United Kingdom is no longer part of the European Union. On the other hand, it is a very serious house. The SIAM victory medal is rare but not exceptional. For me the prices are between €1500 and €1700. On the other hand, for a first-class Brazilian it is another matter! The last one I saw sold went for £2300 without fees and without the bail, just the token! For me in the order of prices I would say first the Brazilian of the first type, then the Portuguese of the first type then the Siam and the Brazilian of the second type. The Greek of manufacture "HUGUENIN" must also cost a small note. Kind regards, Jean-Michel

Hello, The last one that was sold at auction in France went for €1525 including fees. Sincerely, Jean-Michel

Hello Rob, The 27mm model is rare with the inscription on the reverse "THE GREAT WAR FOR CIVILIZATION 1914-1918", I saw it a few times at auction in Paris. It's one of my regrets not to have bought one of these models, but at the time, my collection was not only focused on the victory medal. I do not despair of finding a copy. For your medal, it is an unusual medal by its size and its gilded metal, but it lacks the inscription on the reverse to make it a true unofficial model. https://www.medaillesinteralliees.fr/france-2 Regards, Jean-Michel

Hello Rob, Your 27mm model in gilded bronze on the flankless reverse, is not an Allied medal. However, Alexlander J. LASLO considered it unofficial type 1a. Alexander Laslo mentions that the stock of this medal has been used for other medals, except that it is the reverse. The house "Delande" made this medal with the blank reverse for various associations. In 1921, France still not having an official model, the military wore either a Belgian uniface model or a Charles model, the "Delande" house therefore took the opportunity to publish a model from its generic model. This model was marketed in the catalog of the house "Delande" in June 1921. If one follows logic, there are only two medals which were produced exclusively as an Allied medal, the official model "Morlon" and the unofficial "Charles" model. This is why on my site, I do not classify the "Pautot-Mattéi" and "Charles" medals as official models but as curiosities. However, your medal remains interesting, because according to the ribbon, I think if Alexander J. Laslo was still in the world he would have published a new book, because at the time he wrote his last book he did not have the internet resources that we have today. I take this opportunity to congratulate you on the quality of the models you own. Best regards, Jean-Michel

Not easy to find this model in France except by ebay. It is a good official model.

Hello, Good ribbon, good marking, it's a very good purchase. Best regards, Jean Michel

Hello Olivier, You present four varieties of the official medal. This model has a dozen variations in terms of signature, suspension mode, reproductions and others. Regards, Jean Michel

Bonjour, Pour moi, c'est un montage fantaisiste pour gagner de l'argent. Il existe de nombreuses fausses assemblées de médailles interalliées. La victoire ailée n'est pas celle de la Belgique. Cordialement, Jean-Michel

Hi Bill, You uses a digital vernier caliper to measure? Regards Jean-Michel