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http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=438819&highlight=PlM+miniature&page=2 Here is a thread about the very same chain. Let's face it, it was probably not an original set, its possible to buy just the Godet chains without any medals on it from André Hüsken for example. Barry on E-medals tells me by e-mail: This is indeed a "Cheap fake". Allthough he has sold an identical PlM-mini made by Godet with a large PlM (the latest picture here in the thread). Some guy named Marshall/Biro says on Wehrmacht Awards forum about this very chain: " In all respects this chain is a beauty.. and the mini PLM is exactly what I would expect to see. Very very nice." Im feeling very confused indeed, the PlM is what I've learned that the Godet species looks like. Dark blue enamel, eagles with longer heads (or "crowns") than the spanish fakes. the text is bolder and very clear even though that the size of the damn thing is just over 15 mm x 15 mm. Real godet pieces bellow, with the differences. Spanish copy below. Notice the faint colour, the short eagle heads. And the badly cast wings on the eagles. The cross is also more Narrow and the size about 22 mm. Text is thin and badly cast. small bubbles in the enamel, also not a smooth surface.

If you check the quality on the chain, note that all orders are about 15 mm x 15 mm (excluding crowns and swords), but you can actually read what is written on them. The Artwork is stunning, not even in the same division as copys.... I would not be to fast to judge the chain, its probably hard to find out the owner, but the chain and each of the medals on it. Is indeed originals.

Hello again fellow collectors! I was just told that many things on this PlM is not in order, since I paid some money for it after severely reading all information about the Godet PlM miniatures, eagles, fonts, enamels, sizes. I would like to know what you all think about this little one? Is it real or just another fake? The colour is darker in real life, more pictures on demand! Best regards

Im not a master in the subject of imperial orders, but I would strongly say that this PLM is original, what ever of the chain. The E-medals version is very similar to the one that i have, size is right, high quality enamels, clearly visible text, eagles are indeed Crowned.

Are you telling me I have a faked PLM miniature?

Bronze gilt, with gold plating. High quality enamel work, correct Eagle heads with "Crowns". Size about 15.4 mm x 15.4 mm. Cheers

I guess thats the charm with it all, first you spend a fortune on something then you have to burn your brain to find out what it really is and whom it belonged to, and even ask others for help with it. Its a great forum, and you all gave me lot's of new valuable information. Im very thankful to you all! Kind regards and merry Christmas Dennis

Looks like a faked one to me. Cheers

It was a complicated system with this FO, if the commander and Knight is looking almost the same.

Im sorry for my lack of knowledge, but im happy to learn

Its the second class? the first class of the FO looks like this

Here is the big version of the FO. http://www.emedals.com/collectors-gallery/germany/german-states/wurttemberg/orders/wurttemberg-friedrich-order-3 It should be second class according to what I find on Emedals, the first class has no blue "ring" in it.

That is really kind of both you and him to help, even though you don't get results! Well the Göring idea was just an idea, nothing serious ofcourse. I probably confused the Friedrich orden with the Military Karl-Friedrich Merit Order. That made me confused. Thanks again Dennis

W McSwiggan: Thank you alot for the feedback! As you say, it was probably only the more important medals on this chain. Much of Hermann Görings personal items where taken to the states after the war with returning soldiers of the united states, it makes more sense to me that this should be something taken to the states during or after the WWII than after the WWI. When I checked what medals/orderns Göring actually was awarded in the WWI I found out as I wrote before that all the medals on this chain is correct and some of the more important ones, but I was wondering if this was Görings chain, why is not the Order of the Zähriger Löwe on it? Probably because its not that nice looking to start with. Probably not as high ranking as the medals on the chain? But then again, the odds for that is very low. Just some crazy late night ideas from my side here All the best Dennis

Ostpreussenmann: Thank you for some good feedback on the chain, as you say the Friedrich Ordern is a Würtemberg award, which take out Göring directly. I heard somewhere that it was a Baden award. The same source claims that Göring was Born in Baden, but after just checking Wiki it says he was born in Bavaria (as most nazis where). Its hard to try to find out the owner probably, since there is no searchable databases with the needed information. But let's give it a try anyway here. Dean: Thank you! All the best Dennis

Hello everyone, My first post here, seems to be a nice place to be. Well, I just purchased a miniature chain with four small miniatures from WW1. The Chain is very well made by the firm Godet, so It should be a wealthy officers chain, no doubt. Iron Cross House orden of Hohenzollern with swords Pour le mérite Friedrich orden second class. The facts is that the Pour le merite was only awarded about 600 times in WW1, how many of these brave soldiers where actually from Baden? Does any well known historical person pop up in anyones head? The only one I can think of that was awarded all medals that is on the chain is Hermann Göring, everything is correct with the different classes and swords etc. But he was also awarded the order of Zähriger Löwe, and that order is not on the chain. What do you all think? Best Regards Dennis