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This is a Weiss MVK. Typical the big swords with big grip. Nice picture, should be a "Leiber".

Counterfeits have been around since the 1980s, this is not a new phenomenon. They were distributed also on a large scale by dealers. Fälschungen gibt es schon seit den 80er Jahren, das ist keine neue Erscheinung. Die wurden im großen Stil auch von Händlern weiterverbreitet.

Sorry, but this is one of the Deschler-fakes. This was originally a third class, which was subsequently upgraded to the detriment of the collector.

The MVO in your last posting from today.

The swords on Lew's MVO 3 class with a crown on the left of the buckle have the same swords as the 4th class you introduced Die Schwerter an Lew's MVO 3 Klasse mit Krone links an der Schnalle haben die gleichen Schwerter, wie die von dir vorgestellten 4. Klasse

The left one is a late Leser 3rd class. The same swords like the 4th class.

It is a late MVO of Leser. The front and rear medaillon are silver guilt. Before any assumptions arise again, the flames are only patinated. It's a 4th grad

The MVO was awarded from the rank of lieutenant. All enlisted and non-commissioned officer ranks received the MVK. The Feldwebelleutnant also got the first class with swords. The MVK/MVO were not promoted, i.e. if a private received a third class and was later promoted, then he kept the 3rd class. If the MVK was then awarded again, then according to the rank, the lower class had to be returned. It was the same with the MVO. If an officer received an MVK as an ensign, he also wore the MVK as an officer. If he was then awarded an MVO, the MVK was returned. For the officers, the level of the MVO was based on their official position such as company commander. Regimental Commander, Battalion Commander etc.. Der MVO wurde ab dem Dienstgrad Leutnant verliehen. Alle Mannschafts- und Unteroffiziersdienstgrade bekamen das MVK. Auch der Feldwebelleutnant bekam die erste Klasse mit Schwertern. Die MVK/MVO wurden nicht mitbefördert, d.h. wenn ein Gefreiter eine dritte Klasse bekommen hat und später befördert wurde, dann behielt er die 3. Klasse. Wurde dann das MVK ein weiteres Mal verliehen, dann dem Dienstgrad entsprechend, die untere Klasse musste zurückgegeben werden. Genauso verhielt es sich beim MVO. Wenn ein Offizier als Fähnrich ein MVK bekommen hat, so hat er das MVK auch als Offizier getragen. Wurde ihm dann noch ein MVO verliehen, dann wurde das MVK zurückgegeben. Bei den Offizieren richtete sich die Stufe des MVO nach ihrer Dienststellung wie Kompanieführer. Regimentsführer, Bataillonsführer etc..

Here are the three types of ribbons used by MVK and MVO. Only the first class of the MVO had a different color sequence, which is irrelevant here, since it was worn around the neck. On the left the ribbon used from 1866 until the First World War. From 1913, the band with the black side stripes was introduced for participants in the war. In 1915 there was the so-called "official ribbon" for war service to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants, because both received crosses with swords. Since the Ulan wears the war ribbon, the photo cannot be from before the First World War. Ancestry's personnel records often mention that the officer is entitled to continue wearing his uniform after being discharged. Therefore, the picture can well come from the 20s. Is it labeled on the back? When the field-grey uniform from the war was broken, the old pre-war uniform was put back on. After WW1 hardly anyone had money to re-equip themselves. Hier die drei Bandarten, die bei MVK und MVO Verwendung gefunden haben. Lediglich die erste Klasse des MVO hatte eine andere Farbfolge, was hier aber unwesentlich ist, da er am Hals getragen wurde. Links das Band, dass von 1866 bis zum Ersten Weltkrieg verwendet wurde. Ab 1913 wurde für Kriegsteilnehmer das Band mit den schwarzen Seitenstreifen eingeführt. 1915 gab es für Kriegsverdienst das sogenannte "Beamtenband", um den Unterschied zwischen Kämpfer und Nichtkämpfer zu unterscheiden, denn beide bekamen die Kreuze mit Schwertern. Da der Ulan das Kriegsband trägt, kann folglich kann die Aufnahme nicht vor dem 1. Weltkrieg stammen. In den Personalbögen auf Ancestry ist oftmals erwähnt, dass der Offizier nach der Entlassung berechtigt ist, seine Uniform weiter zu tragen. Von daher kann das Bild gut aus den 20ern stammen. Ist es rückseitig beschriftet? Wenn die feldgraue Uniform aus dem Krieg kaputt war, dann hat man die alte Vorkriegsuniform wieder angezogen. Nach dem WK1 hatte doch kaum noch jemand Geld sich neu auszurüsten.

Hi there, based on the band, it is not possible to distinguish the MVO or MVK level. The ribbon is definitely from the MVK/MVO. I would place the picture in the post-war period, since only the Bavarian cork is still on the cap. The uniforms were also used after the war. This MVK ribbon was not introduced until the end of 1913 and, with a few exceptions, was only awarded during the World War. Where do the figures for the Bavarian participants in the China expedition come from? That was a lot more. E.g. Ritter von Epp was an officer in this campaign. There were no separate Bavarian contingents, as Reich troops were deployed there. The Bavarian soldiers were released from the army for the expeditionary force. The Bavarian king awarded 7 military merit medals (medals for bravery) for the China campaign. More Informations http://www.boxeraufstand.com/ Here a report about bavarians in the china campaign http://muc.postkolonial.net/files/2012/05/China_Kolonialkrieger.pdf

Nicht zu vergessen, das verfeilte GH900 bei manchen Hemmerle Schwertern. Rührt daher, dass die Formen der MVO-Schwerter verwendet wurden, die mit dem Silbergehalt markiert waren. Für die niederen Klassen musste diese Markierung weg und wurde so gut es ging ausgefeilt.

The marking is somewhat hidden on the back.

Hello, the MVK is my specialty. Each of the 5 manufacturers in the award period has its own characteristics such as clasps, swords, front and back medallions. Due to the long war, there were always new variants. The lower classes were made in quantity by medal makers like Deschler. Lauer only delivered to the order's chancellery until 1916. These two manufacturers also only made second and third class MVK. Weiss, Hemmerle and Leser were court jewelers. Your Weiss MVK should have WCo hallmarked on the back of the swords.In the medallion there is a chip to the right of the L

Hello, unfortunately your picture is blurred in the detail of the belt buckle. On the late pieces you can occasionally see a slightly brownish coating on the white enamel. Some medals were also impregnated with zapon varnish, which flakes off over time. Or do you mean the discoloration below the belt buckle? It comes from the glue in the locket.

Hello, the second class is a Weiss from the late period of the war. The MVK crown X is a Deschler. The crosses were made of non-ferrous metal and plated with copper, silver or gold, depending on the class. Silver pieces are pre-war pieces of the 2nd form.

Hi there, the dimensions in the German video refer to a civilian knife. The weight is the same (my knife 715 grams), the length and width differ (blade length 33 cm, total length 45 cm, blade width 0.6 cm). The blade is hand forged. The knife wasn't expensive and it will stay with me. Gruß Andreas

Hello, the knife is a fake. A user of another forum send me this link. The markings are wrong and on a original military knive is no brass. http://www.swordforum.com/vb4/showthread.php?84146-Avoiding-the-military-kukri-fake regards Andreas

Thank you for the determination, I am even happier. I look at the link (so much English is always a challenge for me ? ). Habe die Ehre Andreas

Hello gentlemen, today I bought this Gurkha knife. Can someone tell me if this is a worn original or a modern copy. What does the stamp on the blade mean. 1917 will be the year of manufacture and 37 will be the depotnumber. Can the knife be assigned to a unit? Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with it, I bought it because I really liked it. regards Andreas

The problem with many Imperial awards is the lack of literature. We've been waiting for years for the book by Sascha Zimmermann, who has been working through these awards for around 25 years, with award numbers and returned pieces. He knows the contracts between the manufacturers and the order's office. He also confirmed the separate flames at a collectors symposium. Of the 3rd class X, 915 were awarded, 237 of which were returned. I owe you the written proof of the separate flames, but I have been active in this special topic for 15 years and in exchange with other collectors. The fact that the 3rd Class Krone Swords shown was sold at auction does not make it any more original. It's very easy for a counterfeiter to re-gilt a fourth grade and sell it for five times the price. Here is my 3rd class crown swords, which was built from a knight 2 by Hemmerle. Many of the awarded golden 3rd classes were built up from returned knight's crosses. The other pictures are from my second class silver guilt of the manufacturer Weiss, also separate flames.

Hi there, the awarded Bavarian MVO were made by three jewelers, Hemmerle (GH), Leser (JL) and Weiss (WCo). The Godet company has also sold MVO's, but these are only private copies that have not been loaned out. Not every jeweler has made every class, so to my knowledge Weiss has only made 2nd classes and 4th classes of the MVO. The flames from the third class were made hollow and used separately. In the fourth class, the flames have been cast together with the body of the cross. The third class crosses are lighter than the fourth class because the flames are hollow.

Hello, Ive found him on the ancestry-database. Born 21.3.1896 in Hämmern/ Sonneberg - Sachsen-Meiningen. Decorations: EK1, EK2, bavarian MVO 4X, Herzoglich Sachsen Meiningen Medaille für Kriegsverdienst, VWA He was woundet six times in WW1. Retired from the army in 1919 to begin studying

There must not necessarily have been miniatures on this clasp. Some veterans have put the awards on an inexpensive field clasp. here is a piece from my collection The last ribbon on your clasp could be an austrian award.

The MVO's with 980 are pre-WW1 productions. Most are decorations without swords. The awarding for the colonies are with swords. Many pieces were then retrofitted with swords for WW1. The MVO production of the WW1 was marked with 950.