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Thanks for the help. It maybe hard to get the Seitz's record without a first name or birthday. I looked in the German Orders Almanac and found his entry but he did not list his first name or other information.

This is the bar and Rick's best estimate is Seitz. Thanks for the look Christopher.

I have a medal bar that may belong to this officer in IR 170. He retired as a Captain but was bumped to Major at retirement in May 1914. He was called back and served in the same unit. He was bumped to OberLT after the war. If anyone can get a first name of has the unit history please let me know.

Thanks for the help.

I am attempting to ID the below medal bar. The back of the bar is light gray. I have looked in almost all PRL from 1887 - 1914 and can't find the match. I just found a possibility in the 1900 RL. A Oblt. Bracke of Landwehrbezirk I Essen. He has the Portaguse Order of Christ, 3rd class (PC3). I can not find him after 1902. If you have the 1901 PRL would you look this person up and see what awards he has listed? I appreciate the help.

Thank for the pics and info.

The China 1900 Campaign Medal was awarded for service in China during the Boxer Rebellion of 1899. It came in three versions: bronze for combattants, steel and silver for non-combattants. There are also upwards of 21 campaign bar for the China medal. According to Detlev Niemann's Orders and Decorations Germany 1871-1945, second edition the combattant version was award numbers are 40,000-50,000 and the non-combattant 4,000-6,000 times. The medal picture is from Mr. Niemann's book. Someone please correct me if I am wrong but the medal does not seem to be listed in the German Army or Navy Ranklist. What else can be added to this information? Was there a listing of officer;s who served in China?

Heiko, You make a very good point. All three medals are a very broad topic. Let's close the thread and I will start a new one on just the China medal.

I am somewhat familiar with the China, SW Africa and Colonial medal, but not a informed as I would like to be. That is why I am starting this thread. There seems to be a large amount of interest in the medals but I don't think we have a thread on them. I would lke to start with maybe pictures of each medal and what the award criteria was. Maybe we can also include information about the different actions in China, during the Boxer revolt, I think, SW Africa and the colonies. I think this would be of benefit to all members.

A recent ebay pick up. The 3 medal bar with a very unusual bar. I have only one other bar like this. The bar has the 1914 EK2 in the middle place but is missing the 2 other medals. The ribbons are for the St. Henry Medal and another Saxon medal. My questions are: 1. Which St. Henry medal is mssing? Does anyone have a pic of it? 2. What Saxon medal is missing? i.e. long service, Albert cross ...? I would like to restore the bar to its originall condition.

I was asked about the DOA so I brought it to the top.

Here is what I have on Kempf: 1892 Captain, RAO4, EK2, WF3a Pioneer Batt. #6 Neitze 1893 Captain, same awards, 4. Ing & Inspection, War Acedemy Artillery and Ing. School Militar-Lehrer 1895 Major, same, 1. Ing & Insp. 1897 Major, same + 25 yr. LSC, On the command staff for forts in Wilhelmshaven 1899 Gone More to follow

Now I am really pissed! When I was at the show in Gunzenhausen I paid Theis 80 euros for a 1 year subscription. Yes, I did make it to the Bismark Estate and it was fantastic!

Has anyone in the US received their catalogue for the December Theis auction?

I am surprised I have not seen more interest in the DOA on CD. The DOA 08/09 book is extremely scare and much more comprehensive then the DOA 04/05. There were only 2 version published. I could not find a DOA 1908/08 for sale but I did find a DOA 1904/05 for sale on the Internet and the price was 550 Euros!

Many of you have expressed interest in the German Orders Almanac on CD so I am posting here. Now available from Rangliste on CD - the German Orders Almanac 1908/09 (Deutscher Ordens Almanach 1908/09 ? DOA). Over 1800 pages of this rare and very expensive research book was scanned into Adobe PDF format at 300 DPI for very clear viewing. The DOA can be viewed with Adobe Reader from Adobe. If you do not have Adobe Reader it is a free download from Adobe at www.adobe.com or www.adobe.de. The DOA was scanned into several PDF files for easy of use and access spend. The files are: Introduction Orders Index Name listing A-E Name listing F-H Name listing J-L (no listing for I) Name listing M-Q Name listings R-S Name listings T-Z Book Information Also included is a German to English typeset translation sheet. What is the German Orders Almanac and how do you use it? The German Orders Almanac was not an official government publication. It was a vanity press "Who's Who?" focused on the German esteem for awards and the social prestige that decorations gave to decoration holders. As such, while not all inclusive, it does provide the single largest, concentrated listing of otherwise "invisible" civilian award holders for Imperial Germany. Each recipient chose what to include-- from a bare listing of the often inconsequential awards they had received to first names and full birth data, along with current positions and complete home addresses. There is literally nothing like it for the mass of German civilian award recipients, and even military awards holders often reveal fuller personal details than are found in official Rank Lists. As such, it is an unparalleled research resource for the lives represented in medal groups-- from reigning monarchs to pensioned schoolteachers. From the data each listed person provided on himself or herself, clues are provided as to where to search for even more additional career or award information. The German Orders Almanac is the foundation for any pre-World War biographical research on award recipients. Because the Orders Almanac was privately printed, it did not follow the "usual" abbreviations and common emblems representing German awards found in military Rank Lists and state Handbooks. The keys to the Almanac's unique "system" are fund in the preliminary area of the book, listed by state. An exceptionally useful feature of the Almanac is that campaign and jubilee medals which were almost never listed in any other sources ARE listed here-- and can make all the difference in identifying the original owner of a specific medals group. Until memorization is complete, users may want to print out that section to familiarize themselves with the Almanac-specific awards codes system. One rational feature of the Almanac "system" is that it alphabetizes German awards by state (Anhalt to W?rttemberg) and then foreign awards follow, also alphabetized. No period source--maddeningly--ever listed awards in the actual precedence that they were worn, but at least this by-state system allows something specific to be skimmed for-- no "M" awards= listed person had no Mecklenburg awards, and so on. The German Orders Almanac is available on CD for $100. The price includes free worldwide mailing and no paypal fees! If you wound like a sample file please PM or email me. You can order the German Orders Almanac from Rangliste on CD by emailing me at ranglisteoncd@optonline.net for ordering instructions or simple send a paypal payment for $100 to pchepurko@optonline.net. Please be sure to include your mailing address. I will email you when payment is received and send your CD. Also available is Volume 1 from Rangliste on CD which contains all of the ranklists to research WW1 German Army or Navy officers. Please email to ranglisteoncd@optonline.net for more information.

The DOA 1908/09 is ready for duplication! It will be ready for sale next Friday. Stay posted for details. If you purchased Rangliste on CD Volume 1 you will be getting an email and a sample scan next week. If you want a sample scan now just email me at ranglisteoncd@optonline.net.

And guess what I will be doing when THE GREAT ONE is done!

My thought and prayers go out to the family. This pass spring Tony accepted me intohis circle of friends and I greatly enjoyed him company and friendship. I will miss him! He was a true friend and a wonderfull man!

Rather then post in two places and double my work I am posting a note here that on the WAF Imperial E-Stand I have 9 1914 EKs for sale. They have rather rare maker marks for very long ribbon. Any questions just PM. I have also received several PMs about my Rankliste on CD - Volume 1 and yes it is still available. It contains all the Prussian, Bayern, Saxon and Navy Ranklists to research any Imperial German WWI officer.

Check out the second picture as I seem to have have let my hair down!

Enough people responded positive to my inquiry about buying the German Orders Almanac 1908/09 on CD that I am moving ahead with the project. I should have it completed in 2-3 weeks. I'll keep you posted.

Yes, it is true. Frederick the Great is alive and well and living in Potsdam, Germany! While I was getting a personal tour of Berlin and Potsdam by a fellow forum member I saw Frederick the Great and one of his guards in Sans Souci Park in Potsdam. I was so surprised that I just had to have my pictures taken with this famous man. See for youself.

Obsolutely Outstanding! I love when this happens. It is great that we can work together as a group to add value, and I don't mean money) to our collection. That is a tough call on the adding of the oakleaves.

Thanks Rick, SO this bar is dead as far as tracing the Officer, correct?