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I agree Chris. I think that all the set piece battles if you like happened 1899-1900, then the guerrilla, started, and continued until the end.

This maybe of interest to someone. I`ve turned up a bit of information which shines a lot of light on the alleged errors on the nominal rolls mentioned above. I have discovered that there were in fact 2 J Gleave`s who served in the 22nd......... WINSFORD MEN WHO SERVED AS VOLUNTEERS AND SURVIVED J K COOKE H H HEATLEY . . F W HOPLEY J GLEAVE H P RIGBY R STUBBS R WHITLOW So the J Gleave on the nominal roll is in fact from Winsford and not J W Gleave from St Asaph. So his Regimental number is also correct. I can only assume that the nominal rolls I have are for the orignal companys that went to South Africa. All the replacements who came later, do not appear. This would also make sense given the part of the medal roll I have for the 22, which lists several names, that don`t appear on the nominal rolls, I have. So there we have it mystery solved, it just goes to show that you should never take anything on face value when researching your medals!!!!!

Hi Croppy, many thanks again. Yes I am rather confused as to why they won`t fit?? It is a mystery?? As for my bayonet, sorry but I`ve no way of doing it, I tried to scan them, but you just can`t see anything. I`m also certain that its a modern copy though. The wood just looks to new, and the blade is painted black?? Like a commando dagger?

Hi Croppy nice to meet you welcome to the forum. Many thanks for all your information. I`ve added your points to my research of my Enfield. I have one of those quiloned bayonets, but I think its a repro, it just looks to new to have been made in 1914, but it looks nice and looks nice in the display. Interesting that the still make the old 303`s!!!!!!! I wonder could you help me out with one other thing thats come to light, both myself and my Dad have empty 303 cases his date back to WW2 stamped 1944 I think, mine are stamped RG 55 7. So I`ve no idea how old they are, anyway none of them fit in my rifle they seem to be to fat for the barrel, any ideas? Hi Tony, I agree that the SA80 is a bit girly, but having said that have you ever had anything to do with the M16? Its like a TOY!!!!!!!

Now I am totally confused, i`ve just bought a QSA to the same unit as the last one I mentioned only this time the rank is given as Pte, whilst the other is to Tpr??????

Am please to add this medal to my collection, further research details to follow. 171. Q.S.A. 1 Bar Cape Colony. Pte. G. Whitlegg. 22nd Coy. 2nd Imp. Yeo. Died of enteric fever on 12-12-1900 at Maitland.

Are these being faked or is it a poor copy or version produced by/for a third-world army? Good questions, maybe both are true. But like every in this game if theres money to be made, people will fake stuff!!!! I read somewhere that EY means Emergency Use but don't know why they used Y instead of U. Interesting isn`t it!!! But thats the army for you, I suppose!! Facinating history,the first rifle I was issued was from 1910 and brand new that was in January 1943 trying to remember the serial number which at one time was engrained into my brain but can't think of it. The bayonet is interesting never seen one with a curl on the handguard when would that type have been manufactured? Later I had a No.4 then a No.5 but lost them at the first oppotunity,never seemed to be as good as the No.3 most of the time carried a Browning .45 John what a truely fasinating story, thank you for sharing it with us!!!!! By the way, I only needed about 2 years to forget my serial number. I concur ho,ho,ho. But I think the army is always with you, if you dig deep enough, once you`ve been in, you always an ex soldier as apposed to a civvy again!!! Now tell us all what it's like to fire a MKIII. Have you fired the SLR and if so, can you compare the kick of the SMLE to the SLR? Would be interested to know the answer to this one. Did the SLR really kick that much, I only ever fired it once and can`t remember, the SA80 kicks like a girl ho,ho,ho!!! I think I may have fired a Mk 4 when I was a cadet in the early 80`s, but I can`t remember?

1899 Ten thousand British troops are sent to Natal, South Africa -- 8 September 1899. Boer President Kruger calls up the Boers (farmers and burghers) -- 27 September 1899. President Kruger's ultimatum -- 9 October 1899. War breaks out -- 11 October 1899. The sieges of Kimberley and Mafeking by Boer forces begin -- 14 October 1899. Battle of Talana -- 20 October 1899. Battle of Elandslaagte -- 21 October 1899. Battle of Reitfontein -- 24 October 1899. Battle of Modderspruit -- 30 October 1899. Town of Ladysmith put under seige by Boers -- 2 November 1899. Battles of Willow Grange (21 November 1899); Belmont (23 November 1899); Graspan (25 November 1899); Deerdepoort (26 November 1899), Modder River (28 November 1899); Stormberg (10 December 1899), Magersfontein (11 December), Colenso (15 December). 1900 Battle of Platrand (6 January 1900). Slingersfonein (16 January & 18 February) Battle of Spion Kop (24 January 1900). Battle of Vaal Krantz (5 February 1900). Hobkirk's Farm "Pink Hill" (12 February). Town of Kimberley relieved by British forces -- 15 February 1900). Battle of Paardeberg (18-27 February 1900). Boer General Cronje surrenders -- 27 February 1900). Town of Ladysmith relieved by British forces -- 28 February 1900). Battles of Poplar Grove (7 March 1900); Driefontein (10 March 1900). Bloemfontein captured by British forces -- 13 March 1900). Boer Commandant-General Joubert dies -- 27 March 1900). Battles of Sannah's Post (31 March 1900); Reddersburg ( 4 April 1900); Biggarsberg (14 May1900). Town of Mafeking relieved by British forces -- (17 May 1900). Orange Free State annexed by Britain -- (28 May 1900). Johannesburg captured by British forces -- 31 May 1900). Action at Lindley (31 May 1900). Pretoria captured by British forces -- 5 June 1900). Action at Roodewal (7 June 1900). Battle of Diamond Hill (11 June 1900). Occupation of Volksrust (12 June 1900). Actions at Zilikat's Nek (11 July 1900) and Koster River (22 July 1900). Boer Commandant-General Prinsloo surrenders -- 31 July 1900). Siege of Eland's River Post (4-16 August 1900). Battle of Bergendal (27 August 1900); capture of Lydenburg (6 September 1900). Boer President Kruger leaves by ship for Europe -- (19 October 1900). British forces annex Transvaal -- (1 September 1900). Action at Bothaville (6 November 1900). General Kitchener appointed Commander-in-Chief of British forces in South Africa (29 November 1900). Battle of Nooitgedacht (13 December 1900). 1901 Mooderfontein Post captured by General Smuts--( 31 January 1901). British Cape Colony invaded -- (10 February 1901). Peace talk overtures begin at Middelburg (28 February 1901). Action at Brakpan (15 May 1901) Action at Wilmansrust involving 5th Victorian Mounted Rifles (12 June 1901). Battles of Blood River Poort (17 September 1901); Fort Itala (26 September 1901); Bakenlaagte (30 October 1901). Action at Tweefontein 25 December 1901). 1902 Action at Onverwacht (4 January 1902). Action at Tweebosch (7 March 1902). Cecil Rhodes, a central figure in European South African history, dies -- (26 March 1902). Ookiep put under seige (4 April 1902). Pretoria hosts peace delegations (12-18 April 1902). Zulu warriors attack Boers at Holkrans (6 May 1902). Peace talks at Vereeniging (15-18 May 1902) Armistice and treaty at Vereeniging (31 May 1902).

Cheers John, that is very interesting.

The 6th Kent Rifle Volunteer Corps was formed in Canterbury on the 6th December 1859. It was subsequently formed with several other Kent R.V.C.'s into the 4th Administration Battalion, Kent Rifle Volunteers, which consisted of the following R.V.C.'s;- 5th Kent R.V.C. formed 1/12/1859 6th Kent R.V.C. formed 6/12/1859 16th Kent R.V.C. formed 15/2/1860 24th Kent R.V.C. formed 29/2/1860 disbanded 1869 29th Kent R.V.C. formed 15/3/1860 36th Kent R.V.C. formed 18/5/1860 From this point it becomes a very complex history with amalgamations and re-organisation, which really only a East and West Kent Regiment expert could fathom out for you.

Interestingly this one is a fake........

Lee Enfield Bayonet

As far as I`m aware we don`t wear Mess Dress, as we don`t have a Mess. The nearest thing I know of is our tunics, which are worn for Crown Court, or special occassions? Along the same lines, it might be of interest to note, that we rarely wear our medals either. Obviously we have the ribbons on our tunics, but the one and only time I`ve ever worn my medals in uniform was on my pass off parade!!! Which I think is rather sad, but I suppose unlike the military very few bobbies have medals, except the old LSGC and maybe a jubilee. The majority of other medals, will be military campaign medals!! When was the last time, you heard of a bobby getting a bravery medal for instance, and yet the army seems to be handing them out like sweets at the moment!!!!! Oh I`d better get off my soap box, again!!! Sorry.

Hi guys, have just noticed that the same seller has also got the 1902 medal to the same bobby, a snip at only ?99.00. Come on guys this is a bargain, ?400 for 30 quid worth of medals, I can`t believe I haven`t put a bid on yet!!!!

Old Radcliffe`s account is my favourite, I think!!! Funny how him and Crossland didn`t get on, isn`t it. These SAS blokes all seem to slag each other off don`t they!!???

Hi, Can anyone tell me what these markings on my Mk111 mean? EY scored threw and DP next to it? I assume that DP means drill purpose, but what does EY mean? There are also various other markings on it, a crown with 95 K under it. S 1768 FI 55 6923B with an E under it 5P with 13 under it? It know it was made in 1915, if that helps any? Hope someone can help. Gordon.

Its back AGAIN, this time for ?195!!!!!!! I`ve told him, but he seems to pay no heed!!!!! 8365540315

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Hi Guys, I came across these, and wondered can anyone tell me the differance (if any) bewteen Yeomanry Spurs and Cavalry Spurs? A beautiful pair of Yeomanry Cavalry Levee Box Spurs, white metal ca.1890s. Signed by 'Maxwell' of Picadilly, with the sides and top embossed with laurel leaves, rose, thistle and clover. Both Spurs are marked 'left' and 'right'. Gordon.

Hi Guys, cheers for all your replies. I`ve also discovered that some copy medals are in fact marked as copy on the rear, which I suppose is one thing. I wonder if a copy NATO medal would be marked as such?

Could it not also be argued that if the copies are of great detail, then they are in fact better the the original?

Cheers Guys, has anyone got any pictures of the original and a copy so I can compare them? I still can`t see how a mass produced and mass issued modern medal, could be copied? Surely a modern issue medal is just that, unless there is a clear difference in the quality?

Hi Guys, Can anyone shine any light on this topic for me. We all know that the Jubilee Medal was issued in its thousands!!! Recently offical MOD replacement/copies have been minted, which I assume are stamped as such. But can anyone tell me how you tell the differnce between a copy/fake (should such a thing exist) and an original surely both will be of equally cheap appearance, so how do we tell the difference, and why have copies been made, are these to dupe the unwarey, surely not given the amount issued and the quality of them why would anyone what to go to the expense of copying a medal, that is just as cheap looking in its original form as a copy, and of no major value anyway. Any thoughts anyone? Or am I missing something? Gordon.

Chris, I feel really bad now.....NOT!!!!! It never ceases to amaze me when people come up with nonsense like this, oh its Queen Victoria etc, it must be priceless!!!! I remember once at an antique fair seeing a miniature Victory medal, with a silly price to it, that time I didn`t say anything just walked away!!!!

Hi, Can anyone shine any light on this topic for me? I`m trying to ascertain, whether solderis who had previously served in the Boer War, but then left the forces, but re enlisted during the Great War, would these men have two sets of service papers, or would the army have linked them together? Any thought anyone? Also when you conduct a search on line with the 1901 census, does it recognise middle names? It has a box for other names, but not sure if this is for maiden names or second names? Basically I`m researching a guy from my village who i know served in the Boer War, but I`ve also found an MIC to a man with the same name who joined the local regiment during WW1. John William Gleave served in the Cheshire Yeomanry during the Boer War and a John W Gleave served in the Cheshire Regiment during WW1, is this the same man??? He`d have been 32 at the out break of WW1. Any thoughts anyone? Gordon.