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    Claudio

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    1. Dear forumites: I have since a long time (more than 10 years) this Spange of Generalleutnant Josef Brunner. At the time when the spange was sold, also lots of other stuff was sold separately. I was lucky enough to purchase just the bar, I didn't have enough money for the rest, though. I am looking for a clear photograph of this officer; it would be great of him wearing his medal bar or ribbon bar. As you can see he was a bit naughty: he wrongly wore the DA 25 and DA 18 (the 2 crosses) instead of the correct couple (DA 25 and DA 12, golden cross and golden medal). Medal bar description: ? Preu?en, Eisernes Kreuz 1914, 2. Klasse (OEK 1909) ? Kaiserreich ?sterreich-Ungarn, Milit?rverdienstkreuz 3. Klasse mit Kriegsdekoration ? Kaiserreich ?sterreich-Ungarn, Signum Laudis in Gold mit Kriegsdekoration ? Kaiserreich ?sterreich-Ungarn, Karl-Truppenkreuz ? Kaiserreich ?sterreich-Ungarn, Verwundetenmedaille Laeso Militi, 1-malige Verwundung ? Deutsches Reich 1933-45, DA 1. Klasse f?r 25 Dienstjahre der Luftwaffe (OEK 3857) ? Deutsches Reich 1933-45, DA 2. Klasse f?r 18 Dienstjahre der Luftwaffe (OEK 3858) ? ?sterreich 1. Republik, Kriegserinnerungsmedaille ? Ungarn, Kriegserinnerungsmedaille Bemerkungen: Gem?ss Auktionskatalog geh?rte die Spange dem Generalleutnant Josef Brunner. 1913 zum Leutnant bef?rdert, dienste er w?hrend des 1. WK als Kompanie Offizier im IR 98. Anfang 1917 erfolgte die Ausbildung zum Flugzeugbeobachter mit anschlie?endem Einsatz in der Flieger Kompanie 96, deren Kommandant er in der Zeit von 11.1917 ? 11.1918 war, bei gleichzeitigem Einsatz als Feldpilot. 1918 Bef?rderung zum Hauptmann, 1927 zum Major. 1918-20 Flugzeugf?hrer bei der deutsch-?sterreichischen Fliegertruppe, ab 1935 Kommandant des Flieger Regiments 1, Wien. Ab 1938 kommandiert zum Kampfgeschwader 157. 1937 Bef?rderung zum Oberstleutnant, 1939 zum Oberst. In dieser Zeit Gruppen Kommandeur im KG 55. Bei Kriegsbeginn Offizier z.B.V., kommandiert zur Aufkl?rungsgruppe 14, Ernennung 1941 zum Generalmajor, Kommandeur der Luftwaffe bei der Heeresgruppe Nord, ab Februar 1942. 1943 Generalleutnant. 1943/44 Kommandeur der Luftkriegsschule 1, Dresden, Klotzsche u. Fliegerhorst Kommandant Dresden. Juni 1944 bis Februar 1945 h?herer Kommandeur der Luftkriegs- und Offiziersschulen, danach F?hrerreserve OKL. Brunner geh?rte nach dem Ende der Monarchie und der ?bernahme in das Bundesheer der 1. Republik, neben Generaloberst L?hr, der mit ihm befreundet war, zu den bedeutesten Pers?nlichkeiten, welche sich dem Wiederaufbau der deutschen Luftwaffe widmeten. Er galt als Spezialist auf dem Gebiet des Luftbildwesens und der Luftaufkl?rung. GENERALLEUTNANT JOSEF BRUNNER Born: 30 Oct 1889 in Stadl-Paura, Ober?sterreich Died: 15 Jan 1967 in Lambach, Ober?sterreich Promotions: Leutnant (01 May 1913); Oberleutnant (01 Mar 1915); Hauptmann (01 Nov 1918); Major (27 Sep 1927); Oberstleutnant (22 Jun 1937); Oberst (01 Apr 1939); Generalmajor (01 Sep 1941); Generalleutnant (01 Oct 1943) Career: Accepted into the Austrian Army as Company-Officer, Platoon and Company Commander in the 98th Infantry-Regiment (18 Aug 1910-23 Feb 1917) Pilot-Training at the Flying-Officer-School in Wiener-Neustadt (24 Feb 1917-12 May 1917) Observer-Officer in the 36th Flying-Company (12 May 1917-00 Nov 1917) Commander of the 36th Flying-Company and Field-Pilot (00 Nov 1917-00 Nov 1918) Pilot with the German-Austrian Flying-Troop (00 Nov 1918-00 Aug 1920) In the 5th Infantry-Regiment and at the Infantry Technical School (00 Aug 1920-31 Mar 1934) Detached to the 1st Flying-Regiment (01 Apr 1934-30 Jun 1935) Commander of the 1st Flying-Regiment, Vienna (01 Jul 1935-31 May 1938) Transferred into the German Luftwaffe (15 Mar 1938) Detached to the 157th Bomber-Wing (01 Jun 1938-30 Nov 1938) Group-Commander in the 55th Bomber-Wing and Airbase-Commandant Langenhagen (01 Dec 1938-30 Jun 1939) Officer with Special Duties and Detached the 14th Reconnaissance-Group (01 Jul 1939-16 Feb 1941) Commander of Luftwaffe with Army-Group North (17 Feb 1941-00 Feb 1942) Commander of Luftwaffe with Commander-in-Chief West (00 Feb 1942-1943) Commander of the Air War School 1, Dresden-Klotzsche and Airbase-Commandant, Dresden (1943-09 Jun 1944) Higher Commander of Air War and Officers Schools (10 Jun 1944-22 Feb 1945) F?hrer-Reserve OKL ? To the Disposal of the Flying-Replacement-Division (22 Feb 1945-08 May 1945) Ciao, Claudio
    2. Pleeeeeeeease Sascha, show us your bar in its full spleandor!!!
    3. We are living in a small world after all... Look what I found on an old German Auction catalogue (Mars & Merkur GmbH and Hermann Historica OHG, Versteigerung seltene Orden M?nchen 12.11.1988). The hammer price at that time was DEM 2'100.- plus commission (15% only!! Today commission fees are at least 20% up to 23% and sometimes you have to add the German VAT also!). Now, after such a long travel, the bar is in my pawns!!! But I had to pay quite a salty price for that!! Ciao, Claudio
    4. Well, Sascha, first I thought that the device with crown and swords on my bar was for a Prussian Kronenorden 4th class, but I was also suggested that it could have been the less awarded (at least in the Franco-Prussian war 1870-71) House Order of Hohenzoller, RK mit Schwertern. Difficult to say with any doubt. I think the crown device on the RAO it must look differently, like the ones shown before, with the red enamal background. Just my 2 cents... Ciao, Claudio
    5. I can recognize the second from the top. Great bars! These are fun to be collected and would be a good start for any new medal bar enthusiast. When your partner has some new medal bars, especially the ones with enamel orders, please let me know! Ciao, Claudio
    6. Hi M?nster! Gadly I will stop at your counter next time and say hello to you. Your partner has been always very fair with prices and his and your pieces have been quite interesting! My brother got a small 2 pieces medal bar last time. I was really very tempted to buy Schmidt's medal bar, but I was saving up for Thies auction. Sorry!!! Ciao, Claudio
    7. Hi Gary, I saw this bar at Illingen (Sammlerb?rse) this June. I was very tempted to buy it, but I knew that a Oberst Schmidt wouldn't be easily researched. But still it's a great piece in mint conditions still attached to the hard paper backing of the juweller/tailor. I think that the asking price was Eur 500.-/550.-. I am surprised to see that such bars do a lot of travelling around in just a couple of months... first in Germany now in the USA! Great addition to your collection... my compliments! Ciao, Claudio
    8. Hi guys! I think you all are wrong.... the first bar is beauuuuuuutiful: it's a bar of a Prussian Lady who changed sex before WWI, got enlisted as simple soldier in a Saxon unit and got the NCO's Prussian PlM, thanks to her/his "Vitamine B" (good network) among the Prussians. After the war she/he went on fighting the communists and poles in several different freikorps. Later she/he became a lady and a Krankenschwester. It's a very rare combination of one of the first documented lady-man of the history who changed twice sex!! Very sexy and rare combination!!!! Ciao, Claudio P.S.: this bar is an offense to the serious collecting community. Ebay does a great job: bans everything which comes from the TR period but does notthing against such obvious fakers. That's great!
    9. Paul, I considered that, but what if the wearer was merely a civilian and never been in the army? If he had been in the army (at least officer considering the decorations), also in the reserve he should have worn a long service medal of some sort! Ciao, Claudio
    10. @ Paul: Yes, it came from Thies Auction @ Willi: Could be... but it is not 100% sure. I think, if this bar was of a Diplomat, you would see more decorations. At those times Diplomats received lots of decorations, for every country they visited or they were assigned for. Or he could have been an honory consul in Germany (a lawyer for instance), for England and Russia. Very difficult to know.
    11. Here's a detailed picture of the last two Foreign orders, as per request. Ciao, Claudio
    12. Thanks Gerd! Here's a detailed picture of the Iron Cross 2nd class 1870 with Einchelaub 25 and the early version RAO 4th class w/swords. Ciao, Claudio
    13. Dear fellow forumites: This is the other recent purchase of mine; an unnamed (yet) Frackspange of a Civilian. Notice the beautiful Foreign awards. Maybe this bar can be research since the Royal British Victorian Order (CV=) has a number (308). Here's the description of the medals: ? Preussen, Roter Adler Orden 4. Klasse, letztes Modell, gek?rnte Arme (OEK 1704) ? Preussen, Kronen Orden 3. Klasse, 2. Modell, Gold und Emaille, Hersteller FR (OEK 1757) ? Oldenburg, Haus- und Verdienstorden Herzog Peter Friedrich Ludwigs, Ritterkreuz 1. Klasse, Gold und Emaille (OEK 1516) ? Russland, St.-Anna-Orden 3. Klasse, Gold und Emaille ? Grossbritannien, K?niglicher Victoria Orden, Ritterkreuz (CVO), Silber vergoldet und emailliert mit Tr?gernummer 308 Also very interesting is the Godet's label on the back with a weird purpore color of the script (woven silk).
    14. Dear fellow forumites: I am proud to introduce to you my newest acquisition, which very likely you have already seen on a recent auction's catalogue. Here is the Ordensspange of Major von Rheinbaben: ? Preussen, Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse 1870 am K?mpferband (OEK 1904) mit Eichenblattspange 1895 ?25? (OEK 1905) ? Preussen, Roter Adler Orden 4. Klasse mit Schwertern, 4. Modell, Ausf?hrung mit glatten Kreuzarmen (OEK 1703) ? Preussen, DA-Kreuz f?r 25 Dienstjahre der Offiziere 3. Modell 1. Typ (OEK 1970) ? Preussen, D?ppeler Sturmkreuz 1864 f?r K?mpfer (OEK 1928) ? Preussen, Kriegsdenkm?nze 1870/71 mit 2 Gefechtsspangen ?Paris? und ?Gravelotte-St. Privat? (OEK 1941/24/7) ? Preussen, Erinnerungskreuz ?K?niggr?tz? 1866 (OEK 1938) ? Preussen, Kriegsdenkm?nze 1864 f?r K?mpfer (OEK 1936) ? Preussen, Kr?nungsmedaille Kaser Wilhelm I 1861 (OEK 1855) ? Preussen, Centenarmedaille 1897 (OEK 1965/1) Although on the reverse of the bar there was a label put by the previous owner and collector (the deceased Mr. Seymour) stating "Maj. v. Rheinbaben details on file", of course the auctioneer didn't keep the data or at least didn't passed it over to the new owner (me). If anybody has more details on von Rheinbaben's career I would be most appreciated. In the meanwhile please enjoy my pictures! Ciao, Claudio P.S.: notice the very old and slightly faded "Hersteller-Etikett" of Godet, dated around the turn of the century, I would guess.
    15. Hi Willi, I thought that this bar was put together by a professional dealer of the time (see label of the Milit?r-Effekten Gesch?ft). Very nice! Ciao, Claudio
    16. Wow! That is a great group! Herzog Carl Eduard medals with swords and date are extremely desirable and quite rare to find. It seems like your SEHO RK 1. Kl. is made of Gold. Can you also post a picture of the medal bar's reverse? The bar looks being put together from a very professional dealer, like Godet. Not to mention the very rare Eduard-Kriegskreuz! This decoration was given less than 100 times (97 to be precise) and only the recipients of the Iron Cross 1st class! For all interested parties I am also enclosing the very informative link of Mr. David Danner's site about the decoration of the Duchy of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha: http://home.att.net/~david.danner/militaria/saxecoburg.htm I saw one bar like this for sale (with a Carl Eduard medal with swords and dates) on Ebay and one on a Hermann Historica auction. Very nice indeed!!! I am very envious... Ciao, Claudio
    17. ... and I don't think the price will be stop increasing... still 8 days to go! It will easily score more than Eur 2'000.-. Ciao, Claudio
    18. Hi Rick, I thought it would easily (for you at least ) researchable this bar. I think I might bid on it. Please, let me know, fellow collectors, who is also interested in bidding on it. I wouldn't like to be involved in a bidding fight with a member of this Gentlemen's club! Just a side note; I noticed that the OLZ could be a very nice of variant with Golden round medallion and massive eichenlaubs, although from the blurred pictures it is difficult to recognize. What do you think? The Ehrenkreuz of Schwarzburg is also rarely seen on medal bars... very nice! Was that the key of such a "quicky" finding??? Ciao, Claudio
    19. Dear fellow Imperial collectors: This spange is on Ebay: Roter Adler Orden 4. Klasse mit Hersteller: "N"; Zustand: 1 Dienstauszeichnung (Preussen) f?r 25 Dienstjahre; vergoldet, mit polierten Kanten; Zustand: 1 Centenarmedaille; Zustand: 1-2 Milit?r-Verdienstorden 4. Klasse ohne Schwerter; Hersteller: Jakob Leser; Zustand: Die Emaillierung der Kreuzarme st?rker gechipt!! Orden vom Z?hringer L?wen - Ritterkreuz 2. Klasse mit Eichenlaub; wundersch?nes altes Modell mit echt goldenem Medaillon; das Eichenlaub ebenfalls aus Gold; Zustand: minimaler Chip im Porzellan, ansonsten ein perfektes St?ck F?rstlich Schwarzburgisches Ehrenkreuz (Modell f?r Rudolstadt) - Ehrenkreuz 3. Klasse; teilweise emailliert und vergoldet; Zustand: 1 Regierungsjubil?umsmedaille (Baden),1902; Zustand: 1-2 Any comments? Maybe I could be researchable... to bad that the Bavarian MVO is so damaged! Ciao, Claudio
    20. Hi Everybody, Von Plessen wasn't Ambassador (Botschafter) in Italy but Botschaftsrat, which is something like the no. 2 or 3 (most likely the second one) of a big Embassy. Here an extrait from Wikipedia, describing this diplomatic title: Botschaftsrat (engl. Counsellor, frz. Conseiller, span. Consejero) ist die Bezeichnung f?r eine Rangstufe im ausw?rtigen Dienst. Deutschland Im deutschen Ausw?rtigen Amt entspricht er einem Beamten der Besoldungsstufe A 15 entsprechend einem Regierungsdirektor in der ?ffentlichen Verwaltung oder einem Studiendirektor an Schulen. Kommt der Beamte vom Auslandsposten in die Zentrale des Ausw?rtigen Amtes nach Berlin zur?ck, tr?gt er nicht mehr den Titel Botschaftsrat, sondern ist dann Vortragender Legationsrat. Die n?chste Stufe ist die des Botschaftsrats Erster Klasse oder Vortragenden Legationsrats Erster Klasse, was der Besoldungsstufe A 16 bzw. B 3 entspricht. Er ist dann in der Regel Referatsleiter. An kleineren Vertretungen wie Panama-Stadt oder Ulaanbaatar ist der Botschaftsrat oft der St?ndige Vertreter des Botschafters. Ist dieser abwesend und au?erhalb des Gastlandes, r?ckt der St?ndige Vertreter in die Funktion ? nicht Rang ? des Gesch?ftstr?gers. An gr??eren Botschaften - wie etwa in Washington D.C., Moskau oder bei der St?ndigen Vertretung bei der Europ?ischen Union in Br?ssel - arbeitet eine gr??ere Anzahl von Botschaftsr?ten, i. d. R. als Referenten innerhalb bestimmter Abteilungen (Politik, Wirtschaft, Kultur u. a.). Von ?http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botschaftsrat? German Ambassador in Italy was the son of the famous Husaren-Feldmarschall von Mackensen. Here's his biography. His medal bar was sold on Thies auction last year in December. Hans Georg Viktor von Mackensen (* 26. Januar 1883 in Berlin; ? 28. September 1947 in Konstanz) war ein deutscher Staatssekret?r und Botschafter. Von Mackensen stammte aus einer bekannten Milit?r-Familie. Sein Vater war Generalfeldmarschall August von Mackensen, sein Bruder General Eberhard von Mackensen. Hans Georg wurde als Kind zusammen mit Prinz August Wilhelm von Preu?en erzogen, und schlug ab 1902 die Offizierslaufbahn im 1. Garderegiment zu Fu? ein. Die Ausbildung dauerte bis 1907. Parallel dazu studierte er Rechtswissenschaften. Im Ersten Weltkrieg war von Mackensen pers?nlicher Adjutant von Prinz August Wilhelm, zuletzt als Hauptmann. Nach Kriegsende, war er im preu?ischen Justizministerium t?tig, bis er im Mai 1919 ins Ausw?rtige Amt berufen wurde. In dieser Funktion war er ab September 1923 Gesandtschaftsrat II. Klasse in Rom (Quirinal), und von August 1926 bis April 1929 in Br?ssel. Im Juli 1931 war von Mackensen Botschaftsrat von Madrid. Im Mai 1933 trat er in die NSDAP ein. Ab Dezember 1933 fungierte er als Gesandter I. Klasse in Budapest, bis er am 15. April 1937 als Nachfolger des 1936 verstorbenen Bernhard Wilhelm von B?low zum Staatssekret?r des Ausw?rtigen Amtes ernannt wurde. Nachdem ihn sein Schwiegervater Konstantin Freiherr von Neurath am 4. Februar 1938 in seinem Amt abl?ste, wurde von Mackensen Nachfolger von Ulrich von Hassell, des wegen seiner Kritik an der Italienpolitik Hitlers zur Disposition gestellten Botschafters von Rom. Am 30. Januar 1942 erhielt er den Rang eines SS-Gruppenf?hrers beim Stab des Reichsf?hrers SS. In seinem neuen Amt beging von Mackensen jedoch Fehler. So arbeitete er beispielsweise nicht im Sinne Hitlers auf eine baldige Absetzung Mussolinis hin. Aus diesem Grund wurde er am 2. August 1943 ins F?hrerhauptquartier beordert und nach einem Gespr?ch mit dem F?hrer seines Amtes enthoben. Von Mai 1945 bis April 1946 war von Mackensen in franz?sischer Kriegsgefangenschaft. Ein Jahr nach seiner Entlassung, 1947, verstarb er. Here's his beautiful medal bar. Ciao, Claudio
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