Claudio

I wouldn't touch these bars not even with 10 meters long pole... ciao, Claudio

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Thanks Rick! Here's also a link of Wikipedia D about the 2. KB FAR: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/2._K%C3%B6nig...llerie-Regiment Ciao, Claudio

Before these pictures will be delated on Ebay I am posting them here... The final bid was Eur 579.-. Ciao, Claudio

Hi Rick, Yes, I think you are right... he was a regular officer... I don't know why I came up with it. Mmmmhh... interesting that you noticed that the father might have been a General. The auction house was selling also other stuff from the same family like RAO and KO of Wilhelm's father who actually was a General... you have quite a talented "nose" to find sich interesting details... I think that the DA XXIV, like you very rightly deduced, was just thrown in my group, maybe by mistake, but I think it belonged to his father. Furthermore I got also the Wound Badge in black... @ Doc: yes, the two medals at the end are Bavarian... like in the German description says... Bayern.

Thanks Bernhard! ;)

Thanks for the nice words. Obviously L?ll survived the war because there are 3 documents dated after WWI (Kyffh?user KDM 1926, FEK 1935 and Wound Badge 1936). Yes, it is very strange that the Iron Cross 1st class didn't come with the group; that doesn't mean that he didn't receive it... That could be researchable with the Kriegsarchiv in M?nchen. Ciao, Claudio

There is also a book about this Regiment: has someone it and could he see for me if there are any information about Wilhelm L?ll? Thanks! Claudio Xylander, Ritter von: Geschichte des 1. Feldartillerie-Regiments Prinz-Regent Luitpold - IV.Band 1911 bis 1920. Erinnerungsbl?tter deutscher Regimenter - Ausz?ge aus den amtlichen Kriegstageb?chern - Herausgegeben f?r den Anteil der bayerischen Armee vom bayerischen Kriegsarchiv - Bayerische Armee Band 73 - Das K. B. Feldartillerie-Regiment Prinz-Regent Luitpold IV.Band, Verlag Max Schick M?nchen, , 1931,. XVI, 590 S., Skizzen, 176 Lichtdruckbilder, OLeineneinband

Look what I found... interesting!!! The list of the casualties of the 1. FAR "Prinzregent Luitpold" http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/Verlustliste...bay_far_wk1.htm

Document for the Wound badge in black... look at the date! :speechless1:

Document for the FEK... I can't read the s?tterlin handwriting on this document: what does it say that his profession is?

Document for the Kyffh?user KDM

Document for the MVO4X mit Krone

Document for the MVO4X

Document for the Luitpold Jubil?umsmedaille mit Krone

DA for 24 years...

Back of the ribbon bars...

6er Feldspange

5er Feldspange

Here's the miniature chain. Some more information (Wikipedia D) about the unit where L?ll served... now I can explain also the crown with the Luitpold Jubil?umsmedaille... ;-) Regiment Das 1. Feldartillerie-Regiment ?Prinzregent Luitpold? war ein Verband der 1. Division der bayerischen Armee. Der Friedensstandort des Regiments war M?nchen. Zusammen mit dem 7. Feldartillerieregiment bildete sie die 1. Feldartilleriebrigade. Das Regiment hatte vom 1. August 1914 bis Kriegsende insgesamt vier Kommandeure, Oberst Arnold M?ller war der Erste. Danach folgten Franz von Bomhard ab dem 1. Dezember 1914, Rudolf Ritter von Xylander ab dem 12. Juli 1917 sowie Eugen Peringer ab dem 18. M?rz 1918. Die drei letztgenannten Kommandeure bekleideten alle den Dienstgrad Oberstleutnant. Geschichte Das Regiment wurde 1824 aufgestellt. Zu Beginn des Ersten Weltkriegs war das Regiment als Teil der Divisionsartillerie der 1. Infanterie-Division der 6. Armee im Westen eingesetzt. Weitere Stationen des Regiments im Laufe des Weltkrieges sind mit denen der 1. Infanterie-Division identisch. Tradition nach 1918 Die Tradition des Regiments ?bernahm nach dem Ersten Weltkrieg die 6. Batterie des (bayerischen) Artillerie-Regiments 7 der Reichswehr.

Back of the medal bar:

Dear forumites, I'd like to introduce to you a nice almost named complete group. Very likely I will be able to get some more information from the Kriegsarchiv in Munich. Hauptmann der Reserve Wilhelm L?ll, 1. Feldartillerie-Regiment ?Prinzregent Luitpold?, geboren in M?nchen am 14.10.1888. Ordensspange: ? Preu?en, Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse 1914-1924 am K?mpferband (OEK 1904), E gs/S ? Bayern, Milit?r-Verdienst-Orden 4. Klasse mit Krone und Schwertern (OEK 412), S Medaillon in Gold ? Bayern, Milit?r-Verdienst-Orden 4. Klasse mit Schwertern (OEK 413), S ? Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Ehrenkreuz f?r Frontk?mpfer (OEK 3803/1), Hersteller R.V. Pforzheim 34 ? Bayern, Milit?rische Jubil?umsmedaille mit Krone und Jahreszahlen ?1839-1909? am Band, 1902-1912 (OK 518/1), Br ox ? Bayern, Goldene Hochzeits-Jubil?umsmedaille, 1918 (OEK 479), KM Andere Gegenst?nde: ? 6er Miniaturkette im (besch?digten) Originaletui des Juweliers Gebr. Hemmerle und ? 2 Feldspangen (5er und 6er) ? 1 Verwundetenabzeichen in Schwarz (OEK 3293) ? 1 bayerische DA 2. Kl. f?r 24 Dienstjahre 1906-1921 (OEK 525), ohne Band Urkunden: ? 28.10.1909, Jub.-Med. mit Krone ? 16.04.1914, MVO4 mit X ? 17.05.1918, MVO4 mit Kr. u. X ? 23.09.1926, Kyffh?user Kriegsdenkm?nze ? 01.02.1935, Ehrenzeichen f?r Frontk?mper 1914-18 ? 25.08.1936, Verw. Abz. in Schwarz I'd appreciate your comments or eventually additional information on Hptm Wilhelm L?ll and his family. Ciao, Claudio

My brother Marco made a Portrait of von Rundstedt... I don't however if he got all his ribbons right... I really like this portrait... especially the face and the shape of the Schirmm?tze came out very nicely... Ciao, Claudio

Thank you for your nice words... Here is just to show how the Svabians were quite conservative in spending money... no backing on the reverse of the ribbon bar. Who would have looked at the back 70-80 years ago anyway? Only now, crazy collectors like me are attracted by such useless details. In w?rttemberg they didn't spend an extra cent for covering the back... in the end what is more important is what is shown on the obverse... Ciao, Claudio

Here you can see the typical "simplified" (cheaper) W?rttemberg'sche ribbon folding style... these Alemannen... so practical, same effect but less effort... like we Swiss... ;-)