Kriegsmarine Admiral

Hello,

Is 15 April 1944 the correct award date for Werner Stichling's Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty 1st Class with Swords?

Because his Personalakte has the award date 19 May 1944. This could be the German approval date.

Thanks!

16 minutes ago, JohanH said:

1st class on 1940-04-09

Thank you Johan!

The date for the 1st class is 9 April 1940, correct?

@JohanH

Hello Johan,

Back in 2022 you said that Werner Steffan was awarded the Commander's Cross 1st Class of the Royal Swedish Order of the Sword on 30 October 1936.

However, his Personalakte reveals different information (please see the document below) :

- Commander's Cross 2nd Class of the Royal Swedish Order of the Sword on 25 November 1936 (this date should be the German approval date)

- Star to the Commander's Cross of the Royal Swedish Order of the Sword (i.e. the Commander's Cross 1st Class) sometime in 1939 or 1940.

Could you please double check the award rolls and see if Steffan was actually awarded the 2nd Class on 30 October 1936 and then the 1st Class sometime in 1939 or 1940?

Thanks!

Parade on the occasion of the 17th anniversary of the Battle of Jutland, Kiel, 31 May 1933.
From left to right in the front row:
- Kapitän zur See Ludwig von Schröder, Commandant of Kiel and Port-Captain of Kiel (29 September 1932-31 December 1934) and at the same time Naval-Commissioner for the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Channel (29 September 1932-30 September 1934)
- Konteradmiral Hans Kolbe, Commander of Reconnaissance Forces (01 October 1932-24 September 1934)
- Vizeadmiral Conrad Albrecht, Chief of the Naval-Station of the Baltic Sea (01 October 1932-03 July 1935)

On 29/02/2024 at 02:02, steveBobby said:

If the photo was taken in Plovdiv, then maybe the real colonel in the photo is not either of the two candidates I thought. I will continue to look for possible candidates.

I agree he is Todor Dimitrov Haidukov actually.

Look at the photo comparison. They are the same person.

Do you have more information about his career perhaps?

Thank you Egorka and Graf!

Group photo of the Staff of the Inspection of Education of the Navy (Inspektion des Bildungswesens der Marine) taken in Kiel, 1943/1944.
1: Konteradmiral Bernhard Rogge, Inspector of Education of the Navy (01 March 1943-19 September 1944)
2: Kapitän zur See Gottfried Pönitz, Chief of Staff of the Inspection of Education of the Navy (01 March 1943-22 July 1945)
3: Flottenarzt Dr.med. Fritz Kanzler, Inspection-Medic with the Inspection of Education of the Navy (22 September 1943-12 May 1945)

3 hours ago, El Ninja said:

Second document is for the Order for military merit, it does not state the class, as far as I can see.

The award date is 26.June 1938.

First document is for some memorial medal, I can not decipher which one.

Thank you.

On 04/03/2024 at 13:17, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:

What is the class of the order in question and also the award date?

I found out the answer.

The class is Grand Commander.

The award date is 30 June 1935.

Does anyone know which is the correct award date for Kapitänleutnant Wilhelm Rhein's Ritterkreuz des Königlich Preußischen Hausordens von Hohenzollern mit Schwertern: 02.11.1918 or 20.11.1918?

Thanks!

I don't know why the document is so blurry.

Here is a close-up.

I don't know why the documents are so blurry.

Here are the close-ups.

@Antonio Prieto

Hello Antonio,

I managed to find the award documents of Wilhelm Canaris on the Bundesarchiv website.

According to these documents, he was indeed awarded the Spanish Order of Naval Merit 3rd Class with White Decoration on 16 May 1927 and the Spanish Order of Naval Merit 2nd Class with White Decoration on 16 November 1928.

The first document gives his rank as "Capitan de Navio" (Kapitän zur See in German), but in 1927 his rank was "Capitan de Corbeta" (Korvettenkapitän in German).

The second document gives the correct rank of "Capitan de Corbeta" and the appropriate class for his rank (Cross 2nd Class).

How is it possible he was first awarded the 3rd Class in 1927 and then the 2nd Class in 1928?

The 3rd Class is higher than the 2nd Class. Shouldn't it have been the other way around?

As far as I understand the classes for this order were always the same.

Is it possible the Spanish made a mistake?

It's also interesting that the German approval date for both classes (3rd and 2nd) was on 28 March 1934, when Canaris' rank was Kapitän zur See.

Hello,

Here are two Bulgarian award documents of Admiral Wilhelm Canaris from the Bundesarchiv.

Can anyone who reads Bulgarian help me?

What are the awards in question? Also, the award date of the second decoration?

Many thanks

This might be of interest. The award document of the Commander's Cross 1st Class of the Order of the White Rose of Finland to Wilhelm Canaris. The document is from the Bundesarchiv.

Hello,

This is the award document of the Greek Order of the Phoenix awarded to Admiral Wilhelm Canaris. The document comes from the Bundesarchiv.

Can anyone who reads Greek help me?

What is the class of the order in question and also the award date?

Many thanks!

25 minutes ago, JohanH said:

 

He got the oakleaves as can be seen below. 

 

Thank you Johan.

3 minutes ago, FRE_A_K said:

Class and award date are correct. Kapitän zur See.

Thank you!

3 minutes ago, FRE_A_K said:

I try to answer your question you tomorrow. I've been busy.

No problem, there is no hurry.

@FRE_A_K

For Karl-Jesko von Puttkamer I have the following:

- Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class with Oak Leaves and Swords (11 June 1942)

Can you perhaps confirm the class, additions (Oak Leaves and Swords) and the award date?

Thanks!

8 hours ago, steveBobby said:

If the photo was taken in Plovdiv, then maybe the real colonel in the photo is not either of the two candidates I thought. I will continue to look for possible candidates.

I'm not sure if it was taken in Plovdiv. It's just a guess because the headquarters of the Naval-Commander „A“ were located there in March 1941.

1 hour ago, JohanH said:

I have looked in "När och hur böra ordnar bäras" from 1929 and also in the 1943 version and they both describe the classes are commander 1st class / 2nd class and knight 1st class / 2nd class. 

 

Great, thanks!

There should be no doubt then.

3 minutes ago, JohanH said:

I guess the Order chancellery should have the correct names.

I'm not really convinced, after seeing so many sources give different information. Perhaps today these are the official names, but in the first half of the 20th century they were not called that.

4 minutes ago, JohanH said:

But I personally like to call it 2nd class just to be sure there are no mix up about what class is meant.

I agree. I will also keep the part "2nd class" for the Commander and Knight of the Swedish orders. For my purposes (the Swedish awards to Kriegsmarine admirals), I will trust the period sources of the time (award rolls, state calendars and award documents).

Thank you very much for your help once again!

Here is also the information from Borna Barac: Reference Catalogue Orders, Medals and Decorations of the World.

It matches the names of the classes in the award rolls. It seems that some kind of change happened in 1975. Would you know anything about that? Perhaps the names of the classes were changed in that year?

The Commander classes of the Order of Vasa are noted as only "Commander" and "Commander breast star". But I guess this is a mistake, because your award documents confirm the part "1st class" and "2nd class" were in the official name.

3 hours ago, seeheld said:

MVK2 - 02.08.1900

It's odd that the award date for the MVK2 in the Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste is 14.02.1901.

If your date is the Mecklenburg-Schwerin award date, what could this other date be I wonder?

Thank you Seeheld and Claudio.