Kriegsmarine Admiral

18 minutes ago, Dave Danner said:

He is not in the rolls from either Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt or Schwarzburg-Sondershausen. With one exception, the only naval officers with the Fürstlich Schwarzburgisches Ehrenkreuz were born in one of the principalities. The exception was Karl Freiherr von der Recke, whose father was Staatsminister in Rudolstadt.

Thank you.

Do you have any idea about the class Junker was awarded? I was thinking it's most likely the 3. Klasse.

I know of another naval officer who had the Fürstlich Schwarzburgisches Ehrenkreuz. This is Hans Seebohm, who had the Ehrenkreuz 2. Klasse (pre-war) and the Ehrenkreuz 1. Klasse mit Schwertern that was awarded during the war. He was born in Dillingen, Saar.

56 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

I thought, I saw a picture with the Spange to his EK II, but this is not on the list. Let me add: This site has his promotion date as Oberleutnant zur See on 14 May 1921, but Rangliste 1922 states 7 January 1920   ... maybe patent or RDA? Thanks! 

He did not have the Spange (1939) zum EK II. Klasse.

14.05.1921 Oberleutnant zur See mit RDA. vom 07.01.1920 (25)

6 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

I was hoping for a SEK3, or at least a SEK 4, but the Ranglisten der Deutschen Reichsmarine strangely only have the EK 2 and 1 listed. 

That's correct.

I hope @Dave Danner will see this thread.

As I understand he has the Schwarzburg award rolls. Perhaps he can help.

Hello,

Can anyone with access to the Schwarzburg award rolls help me?

The Personalakte of Konteradmiral Rudolf Junker states he was awarded the "Fürstlich-Schwarzburgisches Ehrenkreuz mit Schwertern" on "7.11.1917".

However, no class is indicated. Can anyone help me find out the exact class he was awarded?

Perhaps the award date in the award rolls is also different.

Thanks!

43 minutes ago, demir said:

If they actually participated the fight they can have the sabers/swords on their orfers. Otherwise it is in Sultan’s discretion how to award these Orders or medals. Their diplomas (berat) had to be signed bt the Sultan.

Thank you Demir.

Hello,

Did every officer who was awarded the Order of Osmaniye or Medjidie during WW1 have it with the "Swords/Scimitars/Sabers"?

Or, was it possible to be awarded these orders without the "Swords/Scimitars/Sabers" during wartime?

I am finding some conflicting information regarding these two orders awarded during WW1 to later German Kriegsmarine Admirals.

Thanks!

51 minutes ago, JohanH said:

von der Lochau received the Order of the Sword 2nd class commander as överste (oberst) on 1940-10-22.

Thank you very much Johan!

Hello,

I was told that Generalmajor Axel von der Lochau is wearing the Swedish Order of the Sword around the neck (see the photo below). Is that correct?

Is the class of the order the Commander's Cross 2nd Class?

Does anyone know the date when he was awarded this order?

Thanks!

1 hour ago, JohanH said:

 

There is a Kapitän zur See named Bauer in the book about Finnish awards to Germans in 1918.

 

The book is still available if you are interested in purchasing a copy.

 

 

Thank you for the offer. I will think about it.

@JohanH @FRE_A_K

Do you perhaps know if Hermann Bauer was awarded the Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty or any other Finnish decorations? I would be interested in the exact decorations, classes and award dates.

He participated in the Finnish Civil War in 1918 as the Commandant of the Battleship "Westfalen".

Many thanks!

Hello,

I hope there are some experts on Slovakian WW2 orders here, because I have some questions regarding the Slovakian Order of the War Victory Cross awarded to German Vizeadmiral Leopold Bürkner.

The only source that proves he was awarded this order is a photo where he is wearing his ribbon bar.

The 9th ribbon in the first row is the Slovakian Order of the War Victory Cross (see the 1st photo below).

I don't know when he was awarded this order. But, I can tell you his rank at the time was almost certainly Kapitän zur See (Captain). I don't think he was already a Konteradmiral (Rear Admiral) when he received it.

Now the questions:

1. Is it possible to determine the exact class of this order from a ribbon in a black & white photograph?

2. According to the information I found (see the 2nd photo below), there were several types (four?) of ribbons for this order, is that correct? What were the differences between all these types of ribbons?

3. Which type of ribbon is Bürkner wearing? The red ribbon with the two yellow stripes in the middle or some other type?

4. Regarding the possible classes he was awarded:

It surely can't be the Grand Cross or the 1st class, because these were too high classes for an officer of his rank.

The 2nd class was a neck decoration. Equivalent to a Commander's Cross perhaps?

The 3rd class was a badge decoration worn on the chest. Equivalent to an Officer's Cross perhaps?

The 4th class was a cross worn alongside other medals on the chest.

So, if we keep in mind his rank at the time (Captain), what is the most likely class he was awarded?

5. Regarding the 3rd class of this order. Since it was a badge award, is it wrong to presume it was always worn on the chest and therefore there was no ribbon replacement for this specific class? I believe this is proved by the table in the 2nd photo below where only the ribbons for the 1st, 2nd and 4th class can be seen. Is this correct?

I also posted the photos of the 2nd class ribbon and neck decoration and the photo of the 3rd class badge decoration.

Many thanks for any help!

Hello,

Can anyone help me with this abbreviation from the Personalakte of Konteradmiral z.V. Paul Hönicke?

I think it's "a. k. o." with the award date 14. III. 1905 written next to it.

Is it the award date for the Rettungsmedaille am Bande that is written below it?

Thanks!

EDIT: I think I found my answer. "a. k. o." should be the Allerhöchste Kabinettsorder.

Hello,

Can anyone help me with the awards and decorations of Konteradmiral Dr.rer.pol. Reinhold Henrici?

Since he retired in 1920 and wasn't activated again until 1934, he isn't listed in the Reichsmarine Rangliste.

The only award listed for him in the 1918 Rangliste is the Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse.

He also had the Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer and the Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnungen IV. bis II. Klasse.

I would appreciate if anyone can help me find any more awards for him.

I also think it's very likely he was awarded the Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse, but I can't confirm this.

Thanks!

23 hours ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:

@FRE_A_K

Can you perhaps confirm if Conrad Engelhardt was awarded the Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class with Swords on 07 June 1943?

Thanks!

In the meantime, I found the award documents that confirm the class and award date.

@FRE_A_K

Can you perhaps confirm if Conrad Engelhardt was awarded the Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty 2nd Class with Swords on 07 June 1943?

Thanks!

Konteradmiral Erich Schulte-Mönting, Commanding Admiral of the Norwegian North-Coast (08 November 1944-17 August 1945), inspecting Kriegsmarine sailors in Kirkenes harbour, Norway, 1944.

Konteradmiral Friedrich Lützow, Spokesman of the High Command of the Kriegsmarine (OKM) (24 December 1939-08 May 1945), visiting the Naval Hitler Youth (Marine-HJ), date and place unknown.

Konteradmiral Paul Wever, sitting 3rd from the left. This photo is very interesting because Wever is wearing all of his awards and decorations (including many foreign). See the close-up below for more information about these awards and decorations.
Wever was promoted to Konteradmiral on 01 September 1941 and to Vizeadmiral on 01 October 1943. He died from a heart attack (presumably caused by a sunstroke) on 11 August 1944 in Aix en Provence, South France. His posts during WW2 include:
-Chief of Staff of the Naval-Group-Command West (23 August 1939-04 December 1939)
-Chief of the Department for Naval Intelligence Analysis, OKM (01 January 1940-21 June 1940)
-Director of the Sub-Group Navy in the Armistice-Commission France (22 June 1940-15 January 1943)
-Placed at the Disposal of the Commander-in-Chief of the Naval-Group West (16 January 1943-01 September 1943)
-Commanding Admiral of the French South Coast (02 September 1943-11 August 1944)

1: Commander's Cross of the Royal Order of the Crown of Italy
2: Commander's Cross of the Royal Bulgarian Order of Saint Alexander (awarded on 31 March 1939)
3: Spanish Cross in Silver without Swords (awarded on 6 June 1939)
4: Spanish Order of Naval Merit 2nd Class with White Decoration (awarded on 23 January 1932 and approved on 28 March 1934)
5: Ottoman War Medal (Gallipoli Star)
6: Clasp (1939) to the Iron Cross 1st Class (awarded on 5 December 1939)
7: Iron Cross (1914) 1st Class
8: U-boat War Badge 1918 (awarded on 3 March 1919)

Konteradmiral Paul Wever photographed at his office desk, possibly on the occasion of his birthday (28 January 1942), given all the flowers visible in the photo.
Wever was promoted to Konteradmiral on 01 September 1941 and to Vizeadmiral on 01 October 1943. He died from a heart attack (pressumably caused by a sunstroke) on 11 August 1944 in Aix en Provence, South France. His posts during WW2 include:
-Chief of Staff of the Naval-Group-Command West (23 August 1939-04 December 1939)
-Chief of the Department for Naval Intelligence Analysis, OKM (01 January 1940-21 June 1940)
-Director of the Sub-Group Navy in the Armistice-Commission France (22 June 1940-15 January 1943)
-Placed at the Disposal of the Commander-in-Chief of the Naval-Group West (16 January 1943-01 September 1943)
-Commanding Admiral of the French South Coast (02 September 1943-11 August 1944)

Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe officers at the Air War Academy (Luftkriegsakademie) in Berlin-Gatow, 1940/1941.
1: Oberst Walter von Hippel, Tactics-Instructor at the Air War Academy in Berlin-Gatow (08 September 1940-03 February 1941)
2: Vizeadmiral Karl Dönitz, Commander of U-boats (17 October 1939-30 January 1943)
3: Char. Admiral z.V. Walter Gladisch, Reichs-Commissioner of the Upper-Prize-Court in Berlin (13 September 1939-30 June 1943) and at the same time Naval War Instructor at the Air War Academy in Berlin-Gatow

28 minutes ago, JohanH said:

Hello!

 

Sorry for my late reply. 

 

Fritz Conrad got the Order of the Sword Commander 2nd class as Kommendör on April 12th 1930.

Thank you very much Johan!

The other date must be the German approval date then, even if there is almost a 4 year difference between the two dates.

8 minutes ago, JohanH said:

I will look it up as soon as I get home from Christmas celebration. 

 

Merry Christmas to you!

Thank you very much!

Merry Christmas to you too!

6 minutes ago, Antonio Prieto said:

The next page

 

That makes sense.

Thank you very much!

21 minutes ago, Antonio Prieto said:

Royal Order of 11 september 1930 (Diario Oficial del Ministerio de Marina núm. 207 of September 16

As a result of the proposal made by the Chief of the Destroyer Squadron, to reciprocate the attention and entertainment they received during their visit to the ports of the North, His Majesty the King has seen fit to grant the decorations of the Order of Merit Naval, with a white badge, of the corresponding class, to the Navy, consular and private personnel of the respective nations, which is listed below:
GERMANY
SWINEMUNDE
Third class cross.
Ship Captain Mr. Frits Heinrich Conrad.
-Second class cross.
Harbor Master Mr. Ernst Berg.
STETTIN:
Second class cross.
Mr. Hans Emmanuel Gottstein, Factory Director Feldmuhle paper coy.
Honorary Consul Mr. Arthur Kunstmann.
WILHELMSHAVEN:
First class cross.
Lieutenant Mr. Karl Heinrich Wilhelm Jacobson.

Thank you very much!

But where does it say the award date for Fritz Conrad is 11 September 1930?

I can see no date on the right under "Recompensas" (where his name is mentioned).

Hello Antonio,

I found out that Fritz Conrad (at the time Kapitän zur See/Captain) was awarded the Spanish Order of Naval Merit 3rd Class in 1929.

Can you perhaps find the exact award date and post the document with the information?

Many thanks!

On 15/07/2023 at 13:02, Antonio Prieto said:

1. I can't find information. I understand that it would only be granted from a single class and distinctive, possibly white (blanco)
Remember that the other yellow and blue distinctives are only from 1995, never before

2. For the above, I think that only one class, but I do not know the category, distinctive or date

3. According to Archive Documents the red (rojo) Crosses were also granted, but they were generally with white Distinctive. In this document of the Avila Archive, there is no date of the Great Cross of the Naval Merit of Admiral Canaris (no consta)