BlackcowboyBS

On 27/05/2021 at 08:05, 91-old-inf-reg said:

@David MFound him! It’s Ludwig Barnay. All credit goes to @Homerjey

wow, what a bar! 

1 hour ago, laurentius said:

No need to apologize. I was thinking more along the lines of decorations to officers and civil servants which you already answered. The regents continued to issue the Brunswick orders and decorations. Did these regents also have the right to issue Mecklenburgian or Prussian decorations? 

 

Kind regards and thanks in advance, Laurentius

No, as they are not rulers of the prussian state or state of mecklenburg. 

On 26/05/2021 at 11:45, laurentius said:

Dear fellow collectors,

 

When Wilhelm Herzog von Braunschweig died in 1886 the duchy of Brunswick was put under a Prussian regency to prevent the House of Hannover from ruling the duchy and possibly try to regain their former kingdom to the north. This regency lasted from 1886 untill 1913 when Ernst August, the son-in-law of Emporer Wilhelm II was made duke. His father Ernst August had been the original heir in 1886. The regency can be divided into two periods: the Prussian period under Albrecht prince of Prussia and a Mecklenburgian period under Johann Albrecht duke of Mecklenburg. I was wondering how decorations were bestowed during this period. Did the regents continue to award the Brunswickian orders or did they receive Prussian/Mecklenburgian decorations? 

 

Kind regards and thanks in advance, Laurentius

HI Laurentius,

this is pretty easy to be answered. Both regents continued to award the Brunswick order Henry the Lion to the people of the duchy of Brunswick and the people of other states. They were regents with all rights and grand masters of the order of Henry the Lion. 

Princeregent Albrecht did one enhancement to the order, he invented the "Ehrenzeichen" honor medal of the order of Henry the Lion. Dukeregent Johann Albrecht did a complete work over of the classes of the Brunswick order. He invented the following classes:

• cross 1st class
• officers cross
• corss 4th class
• honor medal 2nd class
• medal for arts and science 1st, 2nd and 2nd class with crown

Both men also invented new medals like the fire fighters medal during their regency.

So I hope that this answers your question.

kind regards

Stephan

1 hour ago, laurentius said:

Nobody has an idea or opinion?

 

Not even @BlackcowboyBS, our house expert on Braunschweig?

Sorry, 

I was offline for some days. 

Did I got your question right, that you also wanted to know, if they ( the regents) recieved prussian or mecklenburgian orders during their regency? Albrecht was a knight of the black eagle before he was promoted prince regent, he also had the grand cross of the Henry the Lion before he became Princeregent. If he recieved other orders during his regentship I don't know, but I guess he did.

Same counts to Dukeregent Johann Albrecht, he was grand cross of Henry the Lion and the mecklenburger orders! I am pretty sure he recieved other orders during his regentship from other states.

Thank you Triad08 for your post! I appreciate it.

On 21/05/2021 at 14:29, Christian1962 said:

The crowns were not changed at the same date as Karl became emporer. It was done in October 1917.

 

 

So should be pieces which displayed the single crown between approx. January/February 1917 and autumn 1917. Existing pieces  were issued as long as on stock.

 

Regards

 

Christian

Hi Christian,

have you ever seen an original pilot badge with letter "K" with only one crown or are the only ones known allways have two crowns?

Thx!

Thank you Laurentius for showing it. I love this bar. Maybe this prussian officer was in the X. Armeekorps which was stationed in Hannover. 

I guess that a major in the staff has to cordinate plans for attacks and defend and is taking care of replenishment, depending where he is doing his job. But I know that major could also be found pretty close to the front line, many were wounded or killed by hostile fire. I guess that staff officiers from colonel upwards were further off the front line. 

On 18/05/2021 at 00:03, Ulsterman said:

There is no roll- yet. One is in progress.

Interesting Ulsterman, are U working on one? 

@ColinCuddycolcuddy U might have allready noticed, that your thread is in the wrong place. The langensalza medal was for 1866 and not for the napoleonic area. 

Could we see the bar?

1 hour ago, Simius Rex said:

The discussion is focusing on a single crown versus a double crown.  This issue is the LEAST of the shown pilot badge's problems. 

 

 

 

Hi Simius Rex,

I totally agree with you, but I wanted to be polite. The photo was sent to me by my friend and my first insight was: Copy even if a miniature it looks terrible! But as this is an english forum for Gentlemen, I just wanted to indicate my doubts. 

But if the forum prefers the plain German way of being straight forward, I can do so as well! ?

true, but you can see that this badge has the letter "K" in it, so it is from Karl and should have had two crowns, this was the reason for me asking it. But Thank you for your clarification, my questions was not accurate enough. 

Hello,

a friend of mine owns this miniature of the pilots badge of Austro-Hungarien Empire. He showed it to me and asked why there is just one crown on this badge. The pilot badges from emporer Karl should have two crowns?

Does anyone have any clue? 

To be honest I don't even know if this is a modern copy or not.

Hi Robin,

U got mail! 

quiet impressiv list, he recieved the HdL in 1890

20 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

Thank you, Blackcowboy, but there must be a mix-up. Wilhelm became Major 1890, I have a feeling, you either mean Klaus Gottfried Friedrich (1844–1933) or Heinrich Karl Adelbert (1845–1914). Both of his older brothers also made General der Infanterie. Btw: Hardly anything is known about the two brothers, if anyone knows anything, or may even provide a biography, I am sure, not only I would be happy and grateful.

You are right, he recieved the knights cross 1st class in 1895 as major, so it was a typo from my side. But there is just one Egloffstein who ever recieved the KC1 of the HdL of Brunswick and he was the adjutant from the prince regent Albrecht von Preußen.

As he was the adjutant of Prince Albrecht of Prussia, who was the prince regent of Brunswick from 1885 on, he recieved the knights cross 1st class as major in the same year.

Well I hate to spoil the party, but I have shown the photos to 3 knowledgable collectors. the first is a collector of prussian awards, the second is specialized in Red eagles and the third has deep knowledge in jubilee devices for the red eagle and so on. 

All three of them responded in the same way, all three said that this cross is not an original or an awarded piece. 

To be honest I guees this was the message of komtur as well, he is very kind and has good manner, so I guess he didn't want to make his statement in a cruel way but instead a polite one, claiming that the scenario in which one person could get such an award is highly unplausibly.

pretty reasonable, and an interesting way to cover the swastika on that bar! 

some nice bars shown here! Thx for it, but I wonder what is this small black cross in the red circle? 

I wonder why the  swords on the ring have different colors to the ones through the middle. I guess that if this was originally awarded and handed out, then they should look alike don't they? 

The 60 looks a little bit strange to me, I have a friend who is deep into this, I will sent him photos and ask his opinion on this. 

Swords are often mounted on old orders to rise their value, so I am allways suspicious, but I am not an expert on RAO.

You can see a very nice one here: https://woeschler-orden.de/katalog/archiv/osmanisches-reich-flottenspendenmedaille-nickel-deutscher-12er-ordensschnalle#&gid=1&pid=1

1 hour ago, drspeck said:

 

Does this qualify? Only ww1 bar I have by the way and showing this for the first time.

Best. Peter

Hi interesting medal bar, but to be honest I am a little bit confused about this one! The prussian golden Military merit cross was only awarded to NCOs. The saxon Albrechtsorder with swords do hint towards an officer. How does that fit together? I have no clue.

There shouldn't be that many saxonians who got the prussian golden mmc, so if I have the list of the saxionian regiments I can have a look in my lists, but as said first we need to find out how this combination could have happened. 

14 hours ago, Chris Boonzaier said:

Does anyone have any bars with mixed states (Bavaria, Saxony etc) to other ranks or junior company grade officers to show?

 

Some really good ones are needed for a project

 

Thanks

Chris

Chris do you want military medal bars or could it be civilian too?

Another piece could be bid on here: https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/auctions/lot/id/270826

If you love to get one.

well for sure he was on the front, the war merit cross from Braunschweig on the fighters ribbon was only awarded to people in the trenches facing the enemy. But true, interesting questions came up to mind.

Hello Demir,

great work, Thank you for sharing it! I am very impressed, that the the osmanic state did have different ribbons for life saving medals regarding the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th deed. Do you happen to know, if there ever was a recipient of the Tahlisiye4? That would be very interesting to know!

Ludwig Graf von Hohnstein was awarded the Knightscross 1st class of Brunswick HdL 1909