David M

I think so to, I saw pictures of the ceremonie before and recognize the setting...

Hi Glenn Thanks for the info and beautiful picture. What was the source for the pictures? David

Hi Gents I am looking for data on the career of the sachson officer Alban von Montbe. Over the internet I could ifnd out he was Stadtkommandant of Dresden 1874-1885. He also held the Inhaberkreuz (=4th Class) of the Wilhelmsorden, that's why I am interested in the 1st place. A picture would be great too Thanks a lot David M

HI Gents as you may or may not know I am describing the kurhessian Wilhelmsorden as one of my projects at the moment. I would like to make the entry of Dimitri von Vietinghoff complete, but do not have the DOA 1908-1909 to check his awards. I hope someone could assist me in this This is what I have so far (thanks to Glenn J) I would also like to fill in some gaps in his career (regiments names at Artillerie aso) and find full dates where I just have years now Dimitri von Vietinghoff, geboren Ludwigslust 21.05.1836, gestorben 24.10.1914;1854 Offizier-Aspirant ins J?ger-Bataillon, 19.12.1855 Secondelieutenant und Versetzung zur Artillerie, 05.10.1860 Premierlieutenant, 1863 Fl?geladjutant des Grossherzogen, 30.10.1866 Hauptmann, 1872 Kommandeur einer Batterie im Feld-Artillerie-Regiment Nr. 6, 1875 Major ins 1. Garde-Feld-Artillerie Regiment, 1876-25.03.1882 kaiserlich deutscher Milit?r Attache an der Gesandschaft in London, 16.09.1881 Oberstlieutenant, 1883 Oberst a.D.und Hofmarschall der Grossherzogin-Mutter Alexandrine von Mecklenburg-Schwerin, 1892 Oberschlosshauptmann des Grossherzogen Friedrich Franz III., 1895 Excellenz, 12.12.1903 Hofmarschall, Thanks a lot David M

Hi Rick that is really a great addition!!! Any idea when the Lippe-D's will be available in print? David

Hi Mike How would I do that? If someone could help me out by downloading it and mailing to my gmail account.....that would be veeeeeery helpfull

As you understand, I would be most interested in the Kurhessian Stammliste 16th-1866!!

Am I doing something wrong? I can only find fragments and not download the entire book.... probably just me... David

Would anyone know about the Hannover rolls for their awards?Are they still out there or do we rely on the STB? David

Hi Werner I can only imagine what a vast files you must have on your computer. Did you ever consider publishing? As far as the Anhalt Bear Order is concerned, I do hope that there will be a volunteer who will take the responsibility form the pre 1872 awards. Would they also be in the Staatshandb?cher? As I understand correctly, the Bear Order was established 1834 as a follow-up of a previous bear order. It would be really great to have all the data in one publication! Would anyone know when this bear order originally started? forgive me for getting all exited about this, I just love pre 1871 orders and would most certainly volunteer myself for doing the rest of the bear order (pre 1872) if a publications should not be hasted..... I would really love to see how my first project (HGL) turns out before I make any commitments to other pre 1871 orders David

1. Anhalt a.-1912 ? what, since when  Werner Nickel 2. Baden a.KFO/BZL: published, but incomplete -1914, what, since when  Werner Nickel 3. Bayern a.MMJO: published b.MVO/MVK: published, but incomplete foreign awards to Bavarian officers -1917  Werner Nickel The Bavarian MVO/MVK is done all civilian awards 1866 until the end. War decorations completely 1866 - 1914. Also all war decorations MVO third class upwards until the end. Fourth class with crown and swords all Bavarians. MVK 1. Cl with swords partly, crown and swords all. 4. Braunschweig: a.BrH/BrEAK: apparently not in archive -1914, what, since when  Werner Nickel 5. Bremen a.Hanseatenkreuz: exist in archive, not yet published 6. Hamburg a.Hanseatenkreuz: exist in archive, not yet published 7. Hessen-Darmstadt a.HPO/HT: destroyed in the war? 8. Hessen (Kurf?rstentum): a.House Order of the Golden Lion --> David M b.Order of William --> David M 9. Hohenzollern a.Ehrenkreuz all classes, with X, gold medals, done Silver medals x to non Prussians, done 10. Lippe-Detmold a.LDH: 1869-1939 down to silver merit cross: all grades are done Leopold order down to Bronze medals: done Rose order all classes: done Kriegervereinkreuz: done Merit medals, to be done Bertha Order: done Frauenverdienstkreuz: done Frauenverdienstmedals, done Silver Civil Merit Medal on Ribbon aka "Paulinen Medal," 1817-1918: done 11. L?beck a.Hanseatenkreuz: exist in archive, not yet published, though 30% done  Bernd D. 12. Mecklenburg-Schwerin a.exist in archive, not yet published 13. Mecklenburg-Strelitz a.found, but too chaotic to be useful, and fragmentary rolls far from complete 14. Oldenburg a.-1914, what, since when  Werner Nickel 15. Preu?en a.PLM/HHOX: published Verdienstkreuz f?r Frauen und Jungfrauen will be published online in may 2007 Milit?rehrenzeich 1867-1913  Werner Nickel 16. Reu? ?.L. und j.L. a.exist in archive, not yet published 17. Sachsen a.SH/SV: published b.SA: published, but rolls not complete Maria Anna no priority, Rick R. has the rolls 18. Sachsen-Altenburg a.HSH: Altenburg published published, being redone to match other two 19. Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha a.HSH: being published b.Carl Eduard War Cross: being published c.Carl Eduard Medals: being published 20. Sachsen-Meiningen a.HSH: being published, but incomplete b.War Merit Cross: being published 21. Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach a.WF: being published, but incomplete b.Wilhelm Ernst War Cros: being published c. General Decorations in Gold & Silver 1914-1919 with Xs: being published 22. Schaumburg-Lippe a.Ehrenkreuz down to silver merit cross from 1890 onwards, will be done 23. Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt und Schwarzburg-Sondershausen a.exist in archive, not yet published 24. Waldeck a.Merit Cross 1914-18: published The rest is a real mess, though rolls exist for: Merit Order 1 2 3 1857-1896 Officers grade 1912-1918 Merit Medal Gold 1891-1917 25. W?rttemberg a.WKO/MVO/WF: being published 26. Austria a.Iron Crown: ? b.?MK: ?

Hi Werner when you mention Anhalt until 1912, do you mean all Anhalt from the beginning (say 1834 for the Bear-order)? For Oldenburg, I know the guy from the oldenburg orders site is doing a list as well, did you cooperate with him? Did you do every class for the Red Eagle Order? from when? hope to hear from you again David

Thanks wild card, that's the kind of info we need in this thread!! good to hear the MVO and MVKs are covered!! Will make a summary of the info we have so far when I have time, which will probably not be today. all the best David

Well I just hope then that the Staatshandbuch from Baden kept lists with dates just like the Kurhessen and Grandducal Hessen did. Will contact them about that sometime in the future.

Although replying to myself here, I would like your advice on a matter that has been bothering me. from what I know, Rick Research makes his lists as in this thread: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=14821 however, this is the way I am making the entries in the publication on the HGL. I take them word-by-word from th Staatshandbuch: 25.08.1777 Ihro Excellenz der Herr Ober-J?germeister von Spiegel, Date first, then function and name as last entry. In this way most of the context is preserved. What is the difference in value here for researchers? David M

Regarding elder rolls which have already been published, would it not be an idea to just make a file in pdf-format and place it on a internetsite? This because we do know the rolls are there, it apperantly would not be to much of an effort typing them over (39 pages) and they are hard to come by these days I guess..... Should anyone have these, I would be most happy to put them on my site, which I m currently rescheduling. I am also working on the lists of some Frankfurt awards to be put online in that fashion. Thanks for any comments on this idea, David M

Hi Red Eagle do you have the full bibliographical data forthis publication?

@ Rick I am guessing that you are just doing the BZL for WWI. As the order was erected in 1812 according to Dave Danners site, do you know if the rest of the rolls is still there as well? If not, I will contact the Baden myself to find out. David

Of all the Hansa rolls?

One of us had the idea of setting up a fixed thread listing the existing rolls and the several projects we are working on. Why not start with each and every single one project listing and summarizing every once in a while, I think alphabeticlly on countryname would be a good idea? I just added from the top of my head, and added the name of the people working on them.... Bremen (Hanseatenstadt): Hanseatic Cross Hamburg (Hanseatenstadt): Hanseatic cross Hessen (Kurf?rstentum): House Order of the Golden Lion --> David M Hessen (Kurf?rstentum): Order of William --> David M L?beck (Hanseatenstadt): Hanseatic Cross Reuss ?.L. (F?rstentum): Honor Cross Reuss j.L. (F?rstentum): Honor Cross I?d see keep them coming David

Hi Just to get you updated on my project on the Kurhessian House Order of the Golden Lion. This week I received the data concerning the reign of Landgraf Friedrich II. (1770-1785), who founded the order and I also completed the lists from the reign of his grandson, my favourite Kurf?rst, Wilhelm II. (1821-1831). In the mean time, I am trying to find publishers for my book. Any suggestions appreciated on that BTW. My project, planned as it has been now, will be completed latest in 2 years from now. After that, I will take up a description of the kurhessian Order of William (1851-1866). After that.....I think there still be enough pre 1866/pre 1871 german orders and decorations to describe!! David M

I wass just curious!! f?r beide F?rstent?mer (Reu? ?.L. + Reu? j.L.) sind Verleihungslisten ?berliefert. F?r Reu? ?.L.: Geheimes Kabinett Greiz, VIII Nr. 74c + 97a (ca. 200 Aufnahmen). F?r Reu? j.L.: Ministerium Gera, Nr. 760, 762-764 (ca. 400 Aufnahmen). Das Scannen aller Listen d?rfte Kosten in H?he von ca. 450,-- Euro verursachen. Die Listen sind aber kompliziert aufgebaut - ohne pers?nliche Inaugenscheinnahme d?rfte eine zweifelsfreie Zuordnung der Digitalisate schwierig werden. Wir empfehlen Ihnen auf alle F?lle einen Besuch in unserem Archiv,

Hi Rick Thanks for that (soory I did not have time to write sooner, as my wife is having her birthday today....) That's another date again!! About the other ones: I know that the Lippe-Detmold KVK does not have rolls. Does that go for more of the medals Louis is wearing? Regards David

sorry about that, should habe been a edited version of the previous post.....

Hi Daniel, I have been working on that, but cant seem to get it really clear as I maginfie it. I dont have anything like photoshop or so :-S About the SA3aX, is there a date for that? I know he just had the Cent, REKj3 and SLH4 in his DOA 1908/1909 entry, so his KO4 is from a later date. When was an officer awarded the KO4 and when the RAO4? It seems to be that someone got either one of them by the time they reached the rank of Hauptmann. Am I correct there and what is the difference between the awarding of the RAO4 and the KO4? Thanks again David