Erich

Robin, very nice. I like the darker finish as well as the white--it's a bit more understated and subtle. Just curious--did the dealer know what it was? I've never found any Allach pieces in an antique store, for example, but have picked up some very nice pieces of Rosenthal and Eschenbach by Prof. K?rner. Erich

Hello Billy, Nice! Tom, though, and I had discussed these painted handled daggers and he, at least at the time, felt they were done by NSKK members. This was, perhaps, 6 years ago or so--I wonder if he's changed his opinion? Erich

I was offered one from Wittmann (which he felt was an NSKK refinished by an overzealous NSKK/Motor SA member--he didn't believe the black daggers were for the Marine SA) for $750.00 2 years ago. It was in similar condition--perhaps a half degree lesser condition. Erich

Hello Bob, Caught me in mid-edit! I know, I've seen, many years ago, 2 black SA daggers--factory types, not hand painted examples--and a gilted fitting dagger (no scabbard unfortunately) directly from vets. At the time the black daggers were thought to possibly be GI souvenirs made up of SA and SS parts, which we now know is unlikely. I think it's more likely that there were limited daggers made up, perhaps as a special order, for purchase or presentation by or to Marine SA officers or members. I think the majority of the organization would have worn standard brown/nickel daggers, though.

Interesting! So he is verifying that there was no special Marine dagger except for the NSKK Marine? There is no documentation of the existence of a special Marine SA dagger of either pattern in any period regulation, uniform guide, dagger catalogue, or other contemporary to the period.

I see--so are the handles actually black (like an early SS dagger) or dark brown?--it's hard to tell from the images. Erich

These are very interesting! Are they both by the same maker? Can you tell whether the finish on the wood was intended to darken the wood, or to blacken it? Erich

The Marine SA is an interesting branch of the SA (as are most of its branches) for me. I've been researching the SA for many years, and have yet to find any period information (either RZM documents or advertisements, other sales advertisements, dagger pricelists or catalogues, NSDAP handbooks, other NSDAP official uniform guides, private SA uniform regulations or uniform references, color images, etc.) pertaining to a special dagger or daggers for that group. I've seen, over the years, both the all black and the gold plated examples in veteran lots, but never with any connection to the Marine SA. Has anyone any period documentation that either gilted or all black daggers were to be worn? I know that they definitely were not worn by the rank and file of the Marine SA, but it's certainly possible that here or there specially finished pieces were produced for presentations in very limited numbers. Erich

Very neat! I've never seen one like it! I doubt that many would have survived, even pre33. Erich

Robert- Great photos, as usual! The officer behind von Epp is Pfeffer von Salomon--former head of the SA. I don't think the Gruppenf?hrer with von Epp is Karl Fiehler--it doesn't really look like him, plus this man looks much older and weighs more than Fiehler. Interestingly, if that kepi that von Epp is wearing came up for sale, I think most collectors would reject it--look at the crooked tresse! Erich

Beautiful! K?rner is my favorite Allach artist. I've got a few K?rner pieces left, including a watercolor from the postwar period, but the only mounted figure I have left is an Alte Fritz in white. I really like the colored versions best--so your mounted figure is outstanding to my eye! Erich

Regarding your question, there is no answer because the SS didn't destroy the SA. The SA continued to exist as a large and active organization until the end of the war. The SS did arrest and murder a relatively small number of SA high leaders, as well as a number of innocent individuals against whom someone had a grudge, and of course R?hm himself. Soon after the event, the SS was made an independent organization, no longer under the auspices of the SA. Erich

Here's my favorite Allach piece. I had it for many many years but finally sent it to a new home. It's a Prof. Theodor K?rner beauty! Erich

Great image. I have a few items (ashtray, cigarette carton, glass cigarette box, other advertisements) for the SA cigarette brands. During the later 1930s, when the cancer/heart/lung dangers of cigarettes were researched, the SA Sturm company was closed and strict non smoking laws passed. There is an excellent book covering this: The Nazi War on Cancer, by Robert N. Proctor. Erich

Looks like Bucher is it! Erich

The 'Gau' sleeveband is likely for a veteran's group. Erich