Komtur

Sorry, I?m not smart enough to organize a link to my thread about this bar So please search for Roderich von Schoeler Greetings, Komtur.

Thanks Rick and thanks Claudio! I waited more than a year for such a pic and today I?ve got two Greetings, Komtur.

Now I can

another Rechtsritter

With this order it is a difficult thing, even if I try to explain it in my own language . But I will try to give some facts from "Preu?ischer Ordensherold" by Hoeftmann in 1868: The order was founded in 1812 as a memory to the "Balley Brandenburg des Johanniter-Ordens". This Brandenburg part of the former catholic Johanniter-Orden was dissolved in 1810 by the Prussian king Friedrich Wilhelm III. and the property was confiscated by the prussian state. The former member of the order were allowed to ask for admission to the new Prussian order. It seem to be until 1853 for the new members a kind of order for merits ("... Personen, welche sich um Uns, um Unser K?nigliches Haus, und um Unsere Monarchie verdient gemacht haben ..."). In 1853 the Prussian king Friedrich Wilhelm IV. refounded the "Balley Brandenburg" of the Johanniter-Orden as an protestant organization for public benefit. Besides the determination of the orders structure, there were two main changes in the "Statuten" of 1853. At first the Prussian nobleman, who became a knight of this order had to pay for it: as "Ehrenritter" with a yearly charge of 12 Reichsthaler, as "Rechtsritter" with an admission charge of 100 Reichsthaler. At second a nobleman could ask for admission as "Ehrenritter" than he had to pay a charge of 300 Reichsthaler. The money was used to found hospitals and similar institutions and the knights of the order had to organize this. So there seem to be a change from an order of merit to a kind of public welfare organization. A Prussian nobleman could show with wearing this order 1. I am a nobleman 2. I have the money to be a member of this club 3. I give some money for public benefit or/and be active in a public welfare organization. When I see pictures of officers with this order, I?ve got the feeling it is not annoying for some of them, that there is a similarity to the highest Prussian order for military merit With regards, Komtur. Today the postman came with this : Bronze gilt Ehrenritter in poor quality, but I got it on ebay more by chance for about 160 Euro... Can?t say when it was produced, but it is certain no copy, cause it is worn and I believe there is no market for copies of a bronze gilt Johanniter Ehrenritter

Very interesting gentlemen! Unfortunately I?ve read the above mentioned thread for the first time (please be indulgent with me, I?m here only for a few month). After that I?m with Les now, that there is a possibility, that the shown cross could be from a Wagner or Friedl?nder die and not very late after 1918. As I understood, the picture of the reverse and of the eagles of the discussed cross above is the clue? On the other hand, what do you think Les, of the detailed reverse picture of a PlM awarded in June 1918 (as far, as I know) - is this the second part of the answer? With regards, Komtur. Reverse of a June 1918 awarded Friedl?nder (FR 938 marked on the lower arm):

I could only find an early gold Godet cross about 1880 (Royal collection, London). The quality of the picture is not as good, as the above showed, but I think, the difference is to be seen. I can only recommend the book Prussian Blue of Stephen Previtera with lots of detailed fotos and a convincing interpretation of the crosses you can find on the marked. But what is your cross? I would judge it as "after 1918". If one have a so called "Zweitst?ck" of the twenties or a later production for collectors is often quite hard to distinguish. With regards, Komtur.

Hallo Mike, in my humble opinion this is not an official issued cross. The silver gilded PlM of late WW1 are made by Wagner, Friedl?nder and Godet. The Wagner and Friedl?nder crosses are very similar, but different to yours. Compare the two late WW1 PlM (Wagner left, Friedl?nder right) with the eagles on your cross. I would say it is not only a difference in style, also in quality. (I will search now for a usefull picture of a Godet cross)

The foto is from ADOLF MEWES RATHENOW, so it must be date from 1912/1913, before he is gone to Stralsund. The name, rank and the year 1912 is written on the back, but in a very modern handwriting. I guess someone else has done before the same identification we do here. Greetings, Komtur.

Just in the moment of posting I had this memory! So it could be Danish : Memory Medal for the 100. Birthday of King Christian IX. ???

Another Beamter I like his glasses Any idea what the last position on his bar could be? The Rangliste 1913 shows only KO4, AEZ, DAZ 1. Klasse.

For me too one of each volume please! Thanks for your work, Komtur.

Thank you Glenn. Hm, that?s odd, may be the interpretation of the written name is wrong?

Thanks for your friendly comment. I know of the titlemania in old Austria - my grandfather was a teacher in Teplitz (the Tschechian part) and was called Professor with the age of 24 in a quite normal technical school. No question you?re right with the Dr. title, but there is a chance, that he?s a M.D. isn?t it? With the rank you must be also right. I?m not so certain in these Austrian stuff and I thougt it is a question of size of the stars. But I found some pics with the higher ranks like Oberstleutnant and Oberst and their collars are embroided. So he must be an Oberleutnant (or an equal medical officers rank). Best regards, Komtur.

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This Dr. Klotowsky (?) could be an Austrian medical officer in a rank of an Oberstleutnant (= Generalstabsarzt?). Is there somebody who is able to search for more information by looking in an Austrian ranklist? Thank you in advance!

Thanks to all for your research I found the suspected in the Ordensalmanach too, it must be Benno Hultzsch, Hptm. d. R., Dresden-Strehlen, Karcher-Allee 31 (Dresden 29.11.63): KS?A3b, KS?LD1. Asking Google for Benno Hultzsch I found: Reinhold-Hultzsch-Stiftung Errichtet am 1.Oktober 1916 vom Kaufmann und Major a.D: Benno Hultzsch zur Erinnerung an seinen im Luftkampf gefallenen Sohn. Die Stiftung sollte es kriegsbesch?digten Bundesmitgliedern erm?glichen, ein Gewerbe zu betreiben oder ein Eigenheim zu unterhalten. So in 1916 he was a Major, then the photo must predate. To found such a donation in memory to his son makes him suspekt to gave money for other purposes too. This is a typical reason for awarding an ?lbergkreuz, so I believe he could be our candidate Greetings, Komtur.

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Hallo forumites, I would like to show you this rare portrait of a person decorated with the Prussian ?lbergkreuz. It seems to be a Saxon Landwehr Officer from the end of WW1 or short after the war. I began to crossmatch the roll of persons with the ?lbergkreuz to the Ordensalmanach and to some ranklists, until now without success. Knowing here are some poeple with the magic eye for these kind of questions I?m looking forward to your answer. The decorations are (in my opinion): - EK 2 1914 - Sachsen Kriegsverdienskreuz 1915-1918 - Sachsen Albrechtsorden Ritterkreuz 1. Klasse - Sachsen Landwehrdienstauszeichnung 1. Klasse - Preu?en RAO 4. Klasse - Preu?en ?lbergkreuz - ?sterreich Ehrenzeichen vom Roten Kreuz 2. Klasse

the bar again

The awarding document of the Hessian Sanitary Cross

Sorry for sliding But for some reason I was searching this bar May be the following is for somebody of interest: In the obituary of Galton most of his decorations are mentioned. As usual for this time he served as a private person for different countries. So there is no british award on his bar. Unfortunately the bar is obviously new mounted.

You?re right. I got it "last minute" on the airport internet terminal before leaving for holidays. Thank you for not bidding to high . Greetings, Komtur.

Not cased, not Wild Card, but silver and on a nice pure Hohenzollern-bar:

Here is the back. Can anyone show a pic of a person wearing this cross? Greatings, Komtur.