Peter BL

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Just thought I'd post up my first Sub Badge...not a premier maker but I like the style of the GWL's. Hopefully the first of many..

Congrats Justin...that's a great collection you're putting together. If you're looking for S-Boot citations, I've got a nice, rare Kurland doc to an S-Boot man. Very best...Peter

Hi Justin..I agree these pieces are and always will be controversial but only because so few were made and so little is documented,for me, seeing Michel's grouping nails the existence and originality of this award (and mine in particular). Best...Peter

Well that grouping's incredible Michel...sorry to use your citation, it's been on my database for so long I'd forgotten where I'd copied it from. And thanks for all the comments...an interesting thread:beer: Very best...Peter

Hi Phil...that's ok, everyone's entitled to there opinion. All I'd say is this award/tradition badge, although rare is well documented with soldbuch entries and award citations. In fact these semi official/Unofficial awards/tradition badges were more common than you'd think..there just not well documented. Best...Peter

Never thought I'd see an original Prinz Eugen...nice one Justin:cheers: KR..Peter

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Have wanted to own one of these for a while now and this one dropped through the letterbox today....well not literally It's stamped 'Kriegsmarine N 3806' on the back KR..Peter

Hi Tom...I'd definitely like to see your example and compare them. KR...Peter

That's a nice sub badge Morten.... Best..Peter

A new addition to the Fleet...cheers for the heads-up Justin. KR...Peter

Another Narvik in CupAl...notice this one doesn't have the 'Double Strike' commonly seen the these KM's KR...Peter

Hi Tim....thanks for posting those comparisons but what I don't understand and find a bit strange is how these shields are identical (allowing for the severe die wear) in every way apart from the date numerals. Peter

There you go Phil...Zinc shield/double clothed....E-mail me if you like it. Peter

Nice shield for sure but no way the cloth and paper are period to the shield. Where does this one come from. Phil, I do have a KM Shield if you're looking for one. I'll post it up later. Peter

Sorry about that...slightly but any chance I get... I'll start a thread on Unknown krims and you can post up that Maedicke.. Best...Peter

Yep, I'd agree with all of that. Well put Tim. In fact the State stopped the use of Brass (Tombak/Cupal) in awards in 1942. Manufacturers were only permitted to use this metal on pins assemblies. And of course you're probably right Phil...firms would have used the stock available at the time for the prong attachment. But I have to disagree...I think the Buntmetal LW Narvik is a work of art..... :love: Peter

Hi Tim...that's my point. If, say Deumer was contracted for 100-200 thousand pieces, wouldn't it make economic sense to cut 2 (or more) die's at the same time. Looking at the 'Missing Log' Demjansk, the die could well have started to break down after 50 thousand shield's (that's a guess) resulting in the flaws we see. KR..Peter

Hi Tim... Just out of interest, why do we all assume a second type from the same maker was/is a later shield. For instance...1 Million Krim shield's were awarded so at least that many were produced...probably close to 1.5 Million. So once the contracts were awarded, wouldn't a company like Deumer/Wurster/Orth make and run two or more die stamps at the same time...hence that's maybe why the designs are so close to each other. Best...Peter

I think Dion nicknamed this one the T-Rex...never understood why. Not one of my favourites but I don't doubt it's originality. KR...Peter

Hi Tim...I agree, certainly a weak stamping, although I did show it to Pascal who considers it original. I meant to say regarding the new Krim book. worth buying but I wouldn't call it a 'complete work' on the Krim shield. It certainly misses a few makers out. In fact, I'm sure the 3 Deumers Sacha shows in his book are all from the same Die stamp (the flaw looks to be there in all the pics). Here's a sample page...Peter

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Nice collections of Krims Andrei... What do you guy's think of this one. Peter

Definitely a Deumer copy Tim...the details are almost exaggerated compared to the original. Peter