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Thank you Sasa, It seems that 'HJ' could be in fact the hallmark of Workshop of Njilas Iva. If this information is correct, and you mentioned very competent official person, this information could be correct. Let's go through known facts: 1. Each workshop manufacturing items made from precious metals has to put his identification on his items in order to find out who was producer, this is law. 2. Additional the producer has to put additional information about art of metal. 3. And fineness of this metal (there are hallmarks which deliver both information in one hallmark) 4. Mr. Rudez wrote that Order of Labor 1st cl. was made by IKOM. 5. There is no information in the literature that YU Orders was made in Subotica. Do you know is there or were there 'Kovnica' in Subotica? Facts: After WWII in the second half of 1945 private Workshop 'Braca Knaus' produced YU awards, we can see 'BK' or 'GK' hallmark on Spomenica 1941. After nationalisation ('Brother Knaus' 'Sorlini i Krivak' and some smaller workshops were merged into IKOM) the factory continued to work under new name 'IKOM' Zagreb. But at the beginnig it was private owned company which produced YU awards. My theory: Serbian based small workshop of Njilas Iva produced YU awards in the second half of 1945. He manufactured Order of Brotherhood and Unity: early pieces without hallmarks (silver?). Later as soon as orders was made from silver he put his hallmark 'HJ' on them. As soon as IKOM was created production of YU awards moved to IKOM in Zagreb. Or maybe workshop of Njilas Iva was one of those small workshops which was merged into IKOM. It is quite complcated but very interesting. Great job Sasa lg. w.

Thank you Sasa I promised to send images of these boxes to Anatoly and spent some time to find these images. Finally I noticed that some types of this medal i.e. Slovenian type has not been presented till yet. We still missing Croatian and Macedonian types. lg w.

Reverse of Medal for Participants of October Revolution 1917 (given to Slovenian Participant)

Averse of Medal for Participants of October Revolution 1917 (given to Slovenian Participant)

Box of Medal for Participants of October Revolution 1917 (given to Slovenian Participant)

Box of Medal for Participants of October Revolution 1917 (given to Slovenian Participant)

Reverse of Medal for Participants of October Revolution 1917

Averse of Medal for Participants of October Revolution 1917

2/2 Medal for Participants of October Revolution 1917

Medal for Participants of October Revolution 1917

Thank you Sasa, I must say that this information is both surprising and confusing since I never heard about Njilas Ivan. This information, if correct, would have very serious consequences in terms of production of awards in YU. It would mean that the history of production of YU awards must be re-written. Do you have more details to that workshop, what happend with it (nationalized probably), is there an index of mint marks from that time? What awards were made in that workshop? How did you find it out? Great Sasa lp. w

If you look at Order for Military Merits 1st cl. and Order of the War Flag you will find two pieces. The smaller piece is by no mean a mould. It leads me to the conclusion that maybe these are models for moulds? Is this theory plausible? lg w.

Order for Military Merits 1st class

Order of Freedom

Order of the War Flag:

Hi Dolfek, Interesting point. They have the same size as miniatures. I think that these are really moulds, the question is was made by IKOM for their purposes or somebody else has made it? Who knows. lg. w

Order of Brotherhood and Unity:

Order of National Liberation:

Order of Hero of Socialist Labor:

Gentlemen, a friend sent me some images of objects which are somehow tight to miniatures. What are these objects: prototypes or moulds? lp w.

Luka, SasaYU thank you for your comments I know that there was slogan 'OZNA sve dozna', I think that both translation are correct. Concerning 'UDBA ... sudba' I tried to find out if there was similar, well known slogan. I found in internet some, bur I'm not sure about that: 1. Udba nam je sudba 2. Udba nije sudba 3. Udba nasa sudba 4. Udba kao sudba Maybe there was no one, well known slogan concerning Udba? lg. w. :cheers:

another one: 2nd cl. Dr. Bruno Kepnik had been a highest ranking civil officer and manager in the Austrian state and a prominent member of the Austrian "Socialdemocratic Party" SP? lg w.

Yes, soviet made Orders are made from solid gold. lg w.

Thank you Luka, Let's try, but I'm afraid that you are right. How would you translate 'OZNA sve dosna'? --> 'OZNA discovers everything'? I read somewhere like that 'UDBA .... sudba', what was it? lg. w.

Hi Christerd, this is a great idea to setup a database with name of awardees. Since I don't know what name you have I'm sending you some I know: (description from wikipedia) 1st class: Hungary: Zolt?n Tildy (Losonc, November 18, 1889 ? Budapest, August 3, 1961) was an influential leader of Hungary, who served as Prime Minister from 1945-1946 and President from 1946-1948 in the post-war period before the seizure of power by Soviet-backed communists. Lajos Dinny?s (16 April 1901, Als?dabas - 1961) was a Hungarian politician of the Smallholders Party who served as the last non-communist Prime Minister of Hungary from 1947 to 1948. M?ty?s R?kosi (born March 9, 1892 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A1ty%C3%..._Mur.C3.A1nyi-0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A1ty%C3%...osi#cite_note-1as M?ty?s Rosenfeld - died February 5, 1971 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A1ty%C3%...osi#cite_note-2was a Hungarian communist politician, of Jewish origin and born in present-day Serbia. He was the ruler de facto of the communist Hungary between 1945 and 1956http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A1ty%C3%...osi#cite_note-3 ? first in his capacity as General Secretary of the Hungarian Communist Party (1945-1948) and later as General Secretary of the Hungarian Working People's Party (1948-1956)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A1ty%C3%...osi#cite_note-4. His rule was characterised as a Stalinist type dictatorshiphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A1ty%C3%...osi#cite_note-5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A1ty%C3%...osi#cite_note-6. ?rp?d Szakasits (Budapest, December 6, 1888 ? Budapest, May 3, 1965) was a Hungarian Communist political figure. He served as the President of Hungary from 2 August 1948 to 23 August 1949. Romania: Petru Groza (December 7, 1884 - January 7, 1958) was a Romanian politician, best known as the Prime Minister of the first Communist Party-dominated governments under Soviet occupation during the early stages of the Communist regime in Romania. Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej (born Gheorghe Gheorghiu; November 8, 1901, B?rlad - March 19, 1965, Bucharest) was the Communist leader of Romania from 1948 until his death in 1965. Ana Pauker (born Hannah Rabinsohn; February 13, 1893 ? June 14, 1960) was a Romanian communist leader and served as the country's foreign minister in the late 1940s and early 1950s. She was the unofficial leader of the Romanian Communist Party after World War II. Vasile Luca (born L?szl? Luka; June 8, 1898?July 23, 1963) was an Austro-Hungarian-born Romanian and Soviet communist politician, a leading member of the Romanian Communist Party (PCR) from 1945 and until his imprisonment in the 1950s. Noted for his activities in the Ukrainian SSR in 1940-1941, he sided with Ana Pauker during World War II, and returned to Romania to serve as the Minister of Finance and one of the most recognizable leaders of the Communist regime. Luca's downfall, coming at the end of a conflict with Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej, signaled that of Pauker. Dumitru Popa,(born in 1925) was member of Romanian Communist Party, Major of Bucarest 1968 - 1971, Ambassador to Yugoslavia. Brazil Jo?o Fernandes Campos Caf? Filho (February 3, 1899 - February 20, 1970) was a Brazilian politician. Born in Natal, Rio Grande do Norte state, Caf? Filho was a journalist and federal deputy, elected vice-president in 1950, under Get?lio Vargas. UNO Trygve Halvdan Lie ([ˌtɾyɡʋə ˈliː] (help?info); 16 July 1896 ? 30 December 1968) was a Norwegian politician. From 1946 to 1952 he was the first elected Secretary-General of the United Nations. Yugoslavia: Ivan Ribar (born on 21 January 1881, in Vukmanić, Austria-Hungary; died on 11 June 1968, Zagreb, Yugoslavia), was a Yugoslav politician of Croatian descent. Ribar was born in Vukmanić near Karlovac. He had a PhD in law. In politics, Ribar was: President of the Royal Parliamentary Assembly, 1920 - 1922President of Executive Committee, Anti-Fascist Council of People's Liberation of Yugoslavia, 26 Oct 1942 - 4 Dec 1943Chairman of the Presidium of the Provisional People's Assembly, 4 Dec 1943 - 5 Mar 1945Chairman of the Presidium of the National Assembly, 2 Dec 1945 - 14 Jan 1953Ale? B?bler, (psevdonimi Primo?, Andr?, ...) slovenski ?panski borec, partizan, politik, general, diplomat in narodni heroj, * 8. junij 1907, Idrija, ? 12. avgust 1981, Ljubljana. Rezervni generalmajor dr. Bebler je bil velika osebnost v KPJ.<h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading">Vladimir Popović, ???</h1>Josip Djerda, ??? 2nd cl. Dr. Joze Vilfan, 3rd cl. Anto Mitrovic 4th cl. and 5th cl. ?? I hope that some of this names are new to you. lg w :cheers: