HeikoGrusdat

I still would think 2 FAM....not austrian!!!

are you shure? I have a completely other email from him....... Vince, my grandfather cam from east-prussia too - but he never said this.....

Hey Vince...................... what the heck is a "Scheinwerfer Arschloch" ??????

Yes Sascha the club is blocked.............. and some more as well.......... some day I will have more blocked people than possible bidders.......... OK gentlemen and especially Rick, here are your blinking lights.......................... medal bar has been sold to member: zinnat500 destroyed medal bar is now offered by member: advodat the red eagle order from the bar is offered by member: elobact125 of course all accounts from the same man.........

...........................and some hours ago i found this one - again on ebay.de !!!! I am completely out of words - it`s a big big shame..... orders gone, name gone , buttonhole mini gone................................history destroyed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! F**K

Gentlemen, just some short words because my street style english is not good enough to tell what I want to tell - I don`t know enough bad words!!! all of you are working every day on saving history, restoring groups, collecting data and information - a worldwide military collecting network against the time in order to keep a long gone time living!!!! And then there are people like this........................ Some days ago I sold the medal bar and buttonhole mini of Zeug-Major a.D. Fuhr on ebay.de , that`s what it looked like some days ago in my house....

Oh I made a mistake.... it should be the ribbon for the "Ehrenzeichen f?r Treue in der Arbeit" Anhalt-Gesamtstaat I have no picture of this medal...

I think the ribbon is the right one for the Anhalt Kriegervereinscross , the Emaille cross .....

yes it is...

We have to seperate 2 things here..... 1. You have to use this phrase if you want to sell something on ebay germany and you are a private person and a private seller because of the EU-laws..... otherwise if you don`t use this term you MAYBE can get some problems if a buyer wants to return a bought thing - because a dealer has to offer a return policy on every item, not only for authenticy but also on other things like the right size, or you don`t like the colour or the toaster heats only up to 97 degrees and not to 100...... you are able to return everything when you buy it from a dealer - thats law.... on one side good but on the other not so good for a private seller that offers a old book he found in a box under a chair in the garage of his neighbors cat....if you know what I mean... Maybe he gets an Euro or two - he will have much more costs when it comes to a return problem than he made profit - so he uses this phrase and has not to return it, bought as seen, like it happens on a fleemarket..... BUT 2. That has (for me) nothing to do with the guarantee on the authenticy of a item - if you say it is original and it is not - you should take it back. That has for me nothing to do with the EU-laws........ If someone sells a badge, you can`t return it only because of you don`t like it ...................... BUT OF COURSE I would return it if it is a fake!!! or has a big damage that was not said in the auction description..... In my eyes two different cases....

the problem is that you HAVE TO write it because of the EU-rights for private salery.........

one more..... sorry for poor quality, RAO can post better scans soon....

if the dswa/olympia bar is good................................. it can`t be MEZ2........................... because the dswa is a steel medal behind the LS-awards .................if it is not MEZ2................it has to be EK2.................and then the ribbon for the Hindenburg is missing............... ???

first one is from my collection but has never been ID?d...... as far as I know

......thank you very much for the flowers

great wise words stogie...

no Timo, thats not the noncom ribbon, that was used as combattant ribbon (if my theory is right of course...) - the noncom ribbon for the FAM was yellow-black.....

??????hhhhhhhh........................... my best guess would be: Sachsen Friedrich August medals in silver and bronze on the wrong ribbons..................... have seen this some times over the years that yellow blue ribbons were taken for these medals on ribbon bars when the right ribbon was not in stock....

He had the Centenar medal but NO KDM 1870/71 or earlier war crosses............................... ...............so he must have been in a official position near to emperor during 1897 to get this medal - am I right master???

SPM is completely right...... one more point to think about is that this is NOT a unique group - something like this will be on the market again some time, maybe then without doubts....

.....maybe the owner did not have enough money to buy a completely new made bar after getting the honour cross in 1934 - so this was the simpleand cheap solution...

here is one....

....of course - that was 35 years later But in my eyes this bar is more interesting than it looks like..... of course, he was a combattant in 1870 ( maybe a man from W?rttemberg....) and for that he got the 1897 medal too. But what did a man at the age of about 55 to get a DSWA-noncom-medal and nothing else??? Of course he was no long service soldier....and I don`t think he was a doctor..... so there are not many possibilities left.... 1. .....he got some civil orders over the years and the DSWA-medal is the only one that is still on the bar because the others have moved up to his neck.... or..............and that is even better 2. ....... he had some kind of business that was needed for this campaign in africa !!! Maybe he was ............... Hans Georg Oakley and he produced the worlds greatest sunglasses... Sometimes small bars are cool!!!

because of the needle system I would not say that it is a 1930s bar.... looks like the massive systems from around 1900.......... ............. but the ribbons look a bit too new for 1870 pieces, the backing looks like 1920 and again - the Mecklenburg cross doesn`t make me happy.... iron cross is too dark for good statements. my personal opinion....I would be careful