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Hello all, I am not very familar with uniforms and ranks so here are my questions... I have got some photos of OTTO GREINER from the W?rttembergische Armee Kraftwagen-Park N?16, he seems to be the driver of higher officers - BUT what is his rank??? Was he an officer himself or a NCO? I think he must have been an officer because he had the W?rttemberg Friedrich order and EK2.... but maybe a long service NCO could get it too? PLEASE HELP ME thanks Heiko

I think I have seen a book some months ago where all owners of the lifesaving medal are named with dates and the story... is this true? Is there a book out there with all the names, then this guy must be in there as well... has anybody this book?

Here is a very interesting small group of two bars around 1900/1902. Both are from the same man so the points are: - Lifesaving medal - started after 1897 - china service in Hophu - SEHO after 1901 What I don`t know exactly... was the SEHO given to soldiers/NCO too or only for officers? I would say with this type of swords on the ribbon it must be an officers bar, the medals for soldiers/NCO had not these big swords for the ribbon. And the style of the bar as big ribbon bar without hooks for orders normally screams officer too..... By the way... the small one has hooks, so if anybody has a lifesaving medal for me please send PM. Any thoughts and comments are welcome Heiko

I would say that these 2 crests are different.... not the same firm

as always fantastic work by Mr.Superresearch!!!! And a wonderful order, I love to look at these but I think on all my medal bars there is not only one of these beautiful Lippe-orders.... I have to change this thanks for the better pic Heiko

A wonderful cross with an impressive artwork in the center medaillon - could you please send a high quality close up scan of the enameled center? Thanks in advance Heiko

Thanks for the help Daniel , I have all time of the world and I am happy for every single identified bar in my collection - tomorrow or in 10 years.... !!!! If there is anything I can do please let me know.

Hi Rick, thanks to you and all the others for the information so far... unfortunately I am not able to read the EK if it is 14 or 70 - it is too small and too "stonewashed"... but if you are right it must be a 1870 EK. A soldier from Hannover became then prussian soldier in 1870 war and made his way... of course it must then be a regimental medal and not a second eagle or general honour - sometimes you need a bit longer for the easy things... Maybe some day the big medal bar appears on the scene - then we can read his name on the Langensalza medal.... greetings Heiko

yes you are right - and as I said all cloth materials do not glow, there is a yellow thread under the grey cloth with which the ribbons are sewn together and it does not glow, too.... who would use 70 year old thread for faking a bar of this unusual type which is really the first one I every had with these small ribbons.... I don`t think so.

I will give the shame on to my girlfriend which bought it for me as a gift... I was very surprised and after checking the materials a bit hopeful as well. The seller gave her the little iron cross seperatly because it went off, one of the 2 prongs on the back is missing. It was not on the auction picture she showed me later on and it was not mentioned...but it fits perfectly and I would say it has been there before.

and the reverse...

Hello all, here is a wonderful looking 20 place ribbon bar!!!! It is the first one I have ever seen with these very small ribbons on it... the complete bar is about 25cm long, each ribbon is only 7mm wide !!! the ribbons do not glow under blacklight and none of the used materials do glow under blacklight , there are signs of wear and age under the EK and the swords - it seems to be an old one. But as I have never seen these range of awards I need your help - for example, what is the black ribbon (4), what is the last ribbon??? First 10 are prussia awards, then there are 10 more from other german states and countries.... note again the bavarian peacetime MVO on a large bar. Now its your turn, any help is welcome!!! thanks Heiko

Hello, I know only the selfmade iron crosses for sewing on the uniform for the troops in Southwest... the only iron crosses for cameroon I know were awarded after the war as for other colonies it was the same procedure.... the award documents were mostly given by the german colonial ministry or something similar....

HeHe... I missed this bar for some seconds, too.... I think it has been offered very cheap for a bar like this, 1870 Mecklenburg bars are not often for sale!!!

I would agree - looks good and is not too expensive...

this one is from a german collector and he says several times in the auction description that ALL parts of the auction are fakes - orders, ribbons, and the whole thing together - he says ist, that`s the difference to Baff for example...

where did you find this beauty... ebay.com? Who is the Frankenstein this time...???

Yes I remember , but often enough I am the looser of these "8 days situationes"... (saves a lot of money...) any more ideas on the ribbon bar from the top?

He he Rick... and now look at this and see the first 6 awards, maybe these 2 guys had some time together...?! but at the end there are a lot of different orders...

here is the reverse...

Hi Paul, in 1901 he still has only the PC3 , no more things... Heiko

Hello all, here is a very nice looking big ribbon bar. My question is now if this combination of awards is possible, I know other big ribbon bars with very similar combinations...maybe I can show later. Can you please name the awards on the right half of the bar, I want to be shure of these ribbons... thank you very much for the moment. Heiko

Hi Bob, it is the "1914" clasp...