HeikoGrusdat

just one short question.................is the mentioned RUMANIAN award a ww2 order???

just a short comment today............................................GREAT BAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

............forgot the market value.......... I think you can think about 300 - 350 Euro

Hi Scott, the "Luftkrieg" clasp was mainly given to members of anti-aircraft units at the western front or other troops that often had to shot in the sky against planes... greetings Heiko

.........here it is.......... look at the 2 hooks on the left and the right side...........great work !!!!!

..................and now..................just for you Ferg...................... the big brother of this family...................... Pinback cross first class "F?r Tapferkeit"................extremely rare piece with the magic reverse................

.........and here is the little guy of this family..............

I can show you this very nice silver piece......

Claudio, if my brain is not completely in the german midsummer smog fog........................... the hungary ww1 medal was given out in 1938, or ????? If this one appears on the big bar the Anschlussmedaille should as well......... but please correct me if I am wrong

Hi Sascha, last one should be the medal of the sun and lion order of persia on the ribbon for foreigners... N?10 as I can see it is the ww1 medal of Tirol.....

OK..........what do we have on it....... - 1870 in service during the franco-prussian war - 1901 service IN china (with battle clasps) - 1904-06 service IN africa (with battle clasps) - 1914-18 service during ww1 - 1937/38 still alive to recieve the bulgarian war rememberance medal....and still no frontfighters cross of ww1 If this bar is genuine it must have been worn by a 90 years old man at the end of the 30s that got in ww1 NO award from any other german state BUT has 6 awards from foreign states..... not to talk about the different sizes of the battle clasps or the wrong order line up with the austrian in third position...... OF COURSE - everything is possible.... and we have seen a lot..... but this one is a bit too weird for me - nothing less and nothing more.

the bar in post 32 looks of course amazing BUT a bit too weird for me............... I can`t believe that this bar is real and old.......

............... .......... in this case I love the green ribbon too................. great bar Werner!!!!!

so it is yours now..... congrats!!! But please allow me one question............how did you pay the seller ?????? He did not want my money over the payment methods I offered to him....

one more thing............................ the same seller I got the bar from offers now some shoulderboards of Infanterie Regiment 21 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gentlemen, here is a 4 place medal bar that I have for a long time now..... maybe someone can help me because I think an ID is possible...... there are only 4 ribbons on the bar BUT some points of help.... 1. I think it has to be a Navy bar, the combination is typical navy in combination with the..... 2. ..... dark blue reverse!!! It is a high quality needle system, the ones I like most from 1890-1910, the great heavy needles and needlehook - looks very nice, I think it is an officers bar....and the combination of..... 3. ..... red eagle order, 25y service cross, China 1901 and 1897 Centenar medal.......... can make an ID possible. No ww1 awards, maybe a crown order for the neck BUT China service and 25 years of service..........some kind of Kapit?n zur See or something like that would be possible in my eyes.... Now I am very interested in the old wise mens comments..... Heiko

by the way..........anybody has a picture of H?rnis????

.................... ........................... .................... ok Rick....................thank you so much, I have forgotten to check all of the hooks...............and yes.............. the griffiin order hook is much more to the top than all the others wich are in the middle of the bar!!!!!!! So this should now really be the ribbon for a griffin with crown and so it should be unlucky H?rnis!!!!!!!!

Hi Dave, very interesting indeed...................... I don`t think that a pinback award would appear as ribbon on a ribbon bar.............................. especially because this big ribbon bar has hooks in the middle of each ribbon on the front side under the ribbons for putting the awards in there - so, should be a ribbon award from Mecklenburg and not a pinback!!!!! Then it is really possible that it is Major Heinrich H?rnis........... can anyone confirm all this, Rick or Rick or Wildcard or anyone else???? I don`t want to write a THIRD name table for this one...... thank you so much!!! Heiko

very curious indeed................???!!!

....................it came out of one of the biggest and best imperial german naval collections I know............... As Rick and I said............without a battle clasp and no more things on it it is not IDable..............but it is very nice!!!

Ahhhhhhhhh.......you got that bar In china the russian and the german forces were allies - russian doctors got german red cross medals, german soldiers got russian medals or orders, russian officers got german orders, german officers got russian orders - just the way of a political and military alliance there are a lot of medal groups ot there of german soldiers/officers with russian medals/orders on them..... your bar should have belonged to a navy soldier with the prussian crown order medal - unfortunately no battle clasp on the china medal, not easy to research....... greetings Heiko

100% Hamburg...............

and the back is...................................................RED

N?3 is Landwehr.......why not......... N?4 + N?5 are steel medals for home involvation..............why not .....................N?2 is peacetime civil order..........why not............and N?1 is a noncom 1914............why not what has Rick in his head to tell................?