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just a short note after a very intensive discussion on a german forum..... I have read the Stiftungsurkunde of the Ehrenkreuz f?r Frontk?mpfer and the Ehrenkreuz f?r Kriegsteilnehmer (Hindenburg with and without swords) very carefully - not all the medal bars with EK2 black-white and Hindenburg without swords are HOMEFRONT EK2`s - NO NO It is stated in the document that every soldier that made ONE BATTLE, ONE FIGHT, ONE SIEGE OR ONE ATTACK should get the Hindenburg with swords - ALL OTHERS (soldiers and civillians connected to the war) should get the Hindenburg without swords. So you could get a REGULAR EK2 on black-white for some service near to the front - but you never heard a shot within a mile : Hindenburg WITHOUT swords... Now you will never know if it is a homefront EK2 without seeing the award document, and I have seen only 2 in my life for the homefront EK2.....
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exactly my words... we had discussed this photo on a german forum some time ago. A high decorated officer wearing proudly an award from one state for fighting against another state he is proudly wearing awards from... That`s why I love collecting medal bars and not so complicated things like stamps...
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but if he wears his sworded lion in front of all he must be a truly proud BADENSER (sorry Sascha...) it is the same with the two twm`s as with the german colonial lion badges - sometimes they wear both - one on the bar and one one the breast... the most logical I can see in this is that he must have been very proud of his times in turkish service...
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I think it is a 15mm or 16mm miniature medal, then it is a REAL miniature clasp in great condition. Often they put full size clasps on mini bars, but the real miniature battle clasps are much more rare than the big ones. And this is a very nice piece of good quality -AND last but not least: Villiers is one of the rare clasps, not often seen....
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Why making copies from other forums, ask Christian for pictures and informations on his bar directly in this forum here... I am not shure if we should talk about fakes because of a needle system in this case... look at the backing of ALL those G&W bars shown here - they all look nearly like each other : their own firm style...
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That`s not the problem... there were 2 german wound badges, one for the navy (black,silver,gold) and one for the army AND the colonial troops (black,silver,gold). So the seller is right when he guesses that this wound badge could have been given to a colonial soldier BUT he says that it IS from the colonies - and that`s a point he can only show with the award document. So it is no fake but a not very gentlemanlike way to push up the price...
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may I ask a simple question as I do not know much about the Zanzibar order system... does the class of this Zanzibar order on this bar go together with the 4th class RAO??? So we have someone between 1870 and 1897 (no 70/71 and no Centenarmedal) with a swords award 4th class (Leutnant,Oberleutnant or something like this) for actions in Zanzibar, DOA or somewhere there and a 25y service cross ( I know war years count double) - I think it is impossible, or? Long service, low rank and not too much years of war in this very small period.....
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In my eyes the 57er bar is ok, but what makes me a bit nervous is that something like a REAL order (Bulgaria) comes AFTER something like a sports award and a swimming badge - foreign award or not, I would have put this one and the finish award in front of the "non-military" german awards... but the 57er ribbon bars are not far away from the legendary "Weimar madness"... nearly everything goes...
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Hello, is there anyone out there who can give me informations on the First class cross of Mecklenburg-Strelitz "F?r Tapferkeit" , "1914" , cross with needle and 2 hooks, made of silver, OEK N?1414, awarded 1915-17 and maybe of it`s evil twin too: OEK N?1414/1 : awarded 1917-18 , made of cheaper material What interests me is the number of awards given, I know it can`t be a lot.... and maybe some info on the value. Problem here is that in OEK is only given a "*" what means as much as "collectors price".... maybe someone has results from auctions... thanks in advance Heiko