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NCBulldogUSA gave me permission to post images of his goblet. I must say, with full disclosure, that I have offered him $15K for his goblet. If anyone, after evaluation of the images feels, as I do, that this is an original "Thor Goblet" with blank name plate and wants to pay him more, please do so. He is a US military vet and we would like to see him maximize his returns when he is selling a rare and odd piece, which rarely, if ever comes up for sale (engraving or not). This is the most that I would offer, but again, I pointed out to NCBullDogUSA that sometimes these items are the "must have" pieces for which people are willing to pay a premium price. If so, "tee it up" and offer him a better price. There are some "muted" characteristics of the "Thor" which I presume to be that someone took a soft grinder to the piece. Further, must say that there is a differnce in "silver stamps" from the item posted on this site. However, we have determined that the stamps are perfectly legit stamps which are mirrored on other KNOWN LEGITIMATE ehrenbechers of the same maker. The maker appears to be Brueckmann&Soehne, Heilbronn. Tee it up- let's have at it. We have real money on the table( from old Art Wall) and all others are willing to either put,shut up, or make statements, one way or another. Let us help a vet how put his butt on the line for us. The least we can do is to get him a good price for his piece! If you are willing to give the guy more than me, than so be it.

I had suggested to ncbulldogusa that the value of the goblet, in my estimation, would be about $15K. An ehrenbecher (which is rarely engraved), runs about $10K. An erhrenbecher for a pour le merite recipient about $15K. NO ONE is familiar with these "Thor" goblets as there are very few known. I would imagine that an engraved goblet with documents would be $25-30 K. A goblet with no document (engraved) would be about $20-25 K. Given that an ehrenpokal with no engraving is worth about half (or a little less) to an engraved ehrenpokal, and given the rarity of the Thor goblet, I came up with about $15K value. He had been told by someone that the value would be $10K, but I think that is too low. Does anyone think that number should be higher or lower?

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Thanks very much for the information!

Thanks- I was looking to see if Von Vollard-Bockelberg was awarded the Knights cross first class with swords, or the had the oakleaves as well. Thanks

Hello- I was wondering if anyone had access to the list of recipients fro the Zahringer Lion Knights Cross First Class with Swords and oakleaves? I understand that 131 were awarded in WW1, but I cannot find a list of the recipients anywhere. Any suggestions?

As the beneficiary of the thoughtful and considerate decision, I must say that Graf has exemplified the spirit and honor that one would seek in a true gentleman. Although I am sure that Graf would really have liked to keep his EK1, he decided to preserve history and restore a grouping, which is very commendable and not always seen in the collecting world. I would offer three cheers for Graf for being what every militaria collector hopes to be- a man who respects and preserves history and sacrifices personal interest in that pursuit. Let us all hope that we would behave in a similar fashion to Graf, if presented with the same situation. I must say that I am grateful and thrilled that a fellow collector would be considerate and helpful in a "tough" situation.

Hey, whatever. This is not a "hate Barry Turk" thread. I was just asking about the the number of awards for the Order of the White Falcon. I am not concerned about prices, but am more concerned with original pieces, particularly those with provenance. I will post this award when it is recieved near the first of the year.

I am in the process of buying the individual componants of this group, so it will stay together for the most part. A few of the medals were sold individually, but I think I will be able to get most of them. When something does not sell for four years, a dealer must move inventory. It is, after all, a buisness and I don't think you can have fairly expensive "inventory" laying around for years. So 141 times during WW1 for the order? I guess they would not come up for sale very often, if ever.

Hello- A newbie with regard to imperial medals, but have the recent opportunity to acquire an attributed Knights cross 1st class order of the White Falcon. The medal is from a grouping that is directly acquired from the family and is offered by a very reputable dealer (anyone who has dealt with him has been pleased and is well regarded). The question is regarding rarity of this order. I have seen reports that only 140 or so were awarded this decoration in ww1. Is this accurate? With the apparent rarity of this item, this would be presumed to be less common than a PLM. Any input on this particular award?

another comparison of inscription. These comparisons are made with another piece endorsed by Andreas S-I as being a wartime original and have the identical die flaw characteristics. It is a far cry from the fakes seen today, which are very poor in comparison. To state that this is a fake would suggest that exact perfect copies can and are being made of any award, as the smallest details are identical.

comparison of the inscription

truncation of the scroll on the left

"dot" flaw at the termination of the scroll on the right

flaw at 9 oclock

flaw at 11 oclock

Hello- I purchased the orginal piece in question on this thread, as it was endorsed by Andreas S-I, and have come to the conclusion that it is a wartime award. I would be happy to hear debate regarding this issue, however, it appears to have all the small flaws seen on wartime pieces. Here are some of the dimensions weight 16.85g vertical length 37.75mm horizontal length 37.75 arm width 15.75mm tips of the arms thickness 1.75mm central arm thickness 2.45mm central disc diamter 16.4 mm This example shows all the identical die characteristics of other wartime gmvks. Any dissention/debate would be welcome, as I would contend it would be impossible to replicate the minor exact flaws.

okay- Thanks!

The case is okay. These came mostly with black cases, but some had red cases.

Here are some photos of a gmvk for sale. It seems to have the correct hallmark (938 W) and the same flaws on the inscription. Is this cross consistent with other wartime gmvks? http://brocks.macrobatix.com/default.tpl?a...qskudatarq=8498